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Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Which religion? Which denomination of that religion? What if that religion has reprehensible beliefs?

Do you disagree that religion in any form can be used as a force against corruption? If you work to exclude religion as a whole because some religions or those practicing them have certain beliefs you may find reprehensible, you also exclude other moral and ethical beliefs, peer pressure, and community support that would combat corruption.

I have to invert your first statement to make sense: do you (I) agree that religion in any form can be used as a force to encourage corruption?

To which I would reply yes, religion in any form can be (and is) used to support and encourage corruption.

All (communal, as opposed to internal) religions look good on the surface, promising wealth (prosperity gospel Christianity), eternal life (various abrahamic religions), removal of body thetans (scientology), etc.

They all share the attribute of not being provable, and all will fight (often quite literally) for their own survival based on no evidence at all.

And they all require the existence of THE OTHER, a threat, sometimes existential, sometimes racial but in some way unacceptably different.

Actions against THE OTHER are seen as noble, even when they otherwise seem to go against the letter and spirit of the communal creed.

Religion cannot be used as a tool of inclusion because for someone to be considered "good", there has to also be an identifiable "evil". Strangely, nobody ever claims this latter title for themselves.

Finally, I'm sure we (you and I) will never know for sure, but I'm willing to bet the majority of the authorities involved here were all part of their community churches.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Without providing a reference backing up your second sentence your claim is no more believable than the OP's. The reason I mention it is that on average black people tend to be poorer and live in worse neighborhoods, and poor people in bad neighborhoods (of all races) tend to do more drugs. So my expectation would be black people tend to do more drugs than white people, but I still doubt it's enough of a difference t…

> poor people in bad neighborhoods (of all races) tend to do more drugs This is not true. This matter has been thoroughly studied - have you a source to back up this claim? Even though the drugs that are often consumed in poor neighborhoods are more likely to be criminalized, they are still used at comparable (and sometimes higher) rates in affluent neighborhoods (along with many other drugs in configurations that ar…

Correlations with race are highly suspect as well as self-reinforcing. I believe they should be abandoned because the damage they cause (by perpetuating a problem) may be greater than any possible benefit they provide.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Someone whose very job demands a high standard of integrity, acting in this fashion... This is what a horrible human is.

Michael Magrino, cited in that article many times, seems to be the person behind http://mandmprivateeye.com/ so perhaps he's already moved on from straight-up police work to private investigations.

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post #55

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just curious, what race are you and what country do you live in?

That's one of the beautiful things about the Internet. You don't need to know (or even think about) the answer to those questions in order to have a civil discussion.

Country is pretty relevant. Experiences with French police mean little with regard to US police.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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post #135

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10660295 and marked it off-topic. You reveal your lack of good faith with the slur, "the criminality of the black community". If you were genuinely interested in factual exploration, that's where you'd be least likely to go.

Agh, sorry, I downvoted you by accident.

Fixed.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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post #59

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> Downvote me all you want: it won't change the facts. I downvoted you because you are simply incorrect about the facts. Black people make up 12% of the US population, and use illicit drugs at approximately a proportionate rate. Yet, black people make up more than half of the prison population of drug offenders, and nearly two thirds of those under any form of criminal supervision for drug offenses. Why are you sayin…

I upvoted him because it's difficult to read what he wrote (and I routinely upvote grey comments). HN should decide whether a downvote means ‘I disagree’ or ‘this isn't worth reading’ — ‘I disagree therefore this isn't worth reading’ is incompatible with reasoned discussion.

Just hit ctrl-a.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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post #55

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just curious, what race are you and what country do you live in?

That's one of the beautiful things about the Internet. You don't need to know (or even think about) the answer to those questions in order to have a civil discussion.

Maybe, but when we're discussing the real world and especially lived experiences, these details can help to provide context.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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post #135

> black Americans have been claiming that such things happen and were widely ignored or disbelieved Black Americans commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crime. Black men make up 1 million out of 2.3 million people in prison. 4.7% of all black men* are in prison. A black man has a 70% chance of being in prison at some point in his life. Are you suggesting the police are framing all of these people? While police…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10660295 and marked it off-topic. You reveal your lack of good faith with the slur, "the criminality of the black community". If you were genuinely interested in factual exploration, that's where you'd be least likely to go.

> and marked it off-topic

What does this mean, technically?

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