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Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by rrego »

anvil_jones wrote: post #99

What is the Alabama Justice Project. 99% reliability on a POLYGRAPH test? I wish I could read more of the article since it seems to be down and google webcache isn't the best. How come none of these cases have been covered by any other organization? Wouldn't a pending lawsuit against the police organization be news? Surely there is corruption/racism in the police department. But is this article valid?

Also to consider is the ridiculous police letter. Which is probably the second most farcical part of this article.

I do hope this story is true. It is going to drive the narrative of police corruption for a while, since it's big enough. I do have doubts about its authenticity however.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by salgernon »

purpled_haze wrote: post #107
hackuser wrote: post #8

It seems like there is a smoking gun in this case (though I didn't review the evidence thoroughly). Widespread availability of video recording and distribution has provided many more smoking guns. Certainly, there are many more incidents where no smoking gun evidence is available. For a long time, black Americans have been claiming that such things happen and were widely ignored or disbelieved. It was and is a grave…

> What do we do about the legions of victims? Financial compensation and putting those that caused the injustice in prison equaling the total of all of the terms served by all of those affected. That is as close to justice as could be had. As for preventing corruption- there's no way to do this as long as there are people that can be corrupted. You can add oversight. You could replace the entire force with minorities…

Which religion? Which denomination of that religion? What if that religion has reprehensible beliefs?

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by jessaustin »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #71
hackuser wrote: post #8

It seems like there is a smoking gun in this case (though I didn't review the evidence thoroughly). Widespread availability of video recording and distribution has provided many more smoking guns. Certainly, there are many more incidents where no smoking gun evidence is available. For a long time, black Americans have been claiming that such things happen and were widely ignored or disbelieved. It was and is a grave…

> Why did our society make this error? > How do we prevent making the same mistake in the future, regarding other issues? > About what issues are we making the same mistake right now? - Drugs are a classic victimless crime; prosecutions tend not to be motivated by someone filing a complaint. Rather, it is the responsibility of the police to detect the crime and mete out punishment as they see fit. - Society has rewar…

...at root an issue of social class rather than race directly.

I agree with much of the rest of your comment, and in the past I would have agreed with this as well. However, police are not inherent to the human condition. (We haven't always had police, and with luck we'll be rid of them soonish.) When police were created, it was largely for basically racist purposes, even if the "races" under consideration in many locales were "Irish" and "Italian". (Further south, however...) People would have objected to a police force imposed on everyone, so the trick was to impose it mostly on those who didn't control the public purse or the courts.

A society that relies on relentless, capricious violence to compel large swathes of the population to accept their assigned roles is not pareto-optimal. We will improve when we change our laws with the goal of reducing the necessity of policing.

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Post by policestate101 »

America is a police state, ruled by a corrupt elite Willing to break laws, rewrite them if possible, create secret ones when needed, they will torture, murder, commit war crimes, this the country Americans reside in, only they do not want to except this increasingly glaring truth.

What happens instead is people who speak out are ignored, derided, and silenced.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by will_brown »

gnaritas wrote: post #110
jrs235 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I propose that if an officer is caught planting evidence or government official is caught covering up such acts and found guilty that the officer or official will serve twice and amount of time and twice any monetary amount the wronged served. And follow the drug war policy of mandatory sentences so no judge can reduce the sentence. For examole if these guys planted evidence that resulted in 10 guys behind bars, each…

> I propose that... We're not in short supply of proposals, so what's the point? Everyone has ideas like this, they're meaningless because they don't address the problem, cops don't police themselves and never will.

Really? I thought the leaked documents revealed:

>As early as 1998, other police officers lodged complaints regarding their beliefs that police officers were planting evidence.

In other words officers were policing themselves to the point of triggering Internal Investigations. Nevertheless, if the parents proposal has no point, and you have identified the problem, what is your proposed solution?

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by policestate101 »

striking wrote: post #42
hackuser wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not nearly sufficient. People in this one town have been suffering for decades. It's probably happening in many more towns where nobody leaked the Internal Affairs investigation. We are failing as a society if we don't see our obvious, critical error and do better.

I never said it was sufficient. (If this is what you understood, I'd like to better understand how I could better write my statement so as not to be misunderstood in the future.) I am only remarking that people in power are not safe from the press or from guilt. Besides, what would you have them do? You speak of the failures we encounter in society, but not a way to solve them. I am just happy to see democratic ideal…

People in power are very safe, people in power torture and commit war crimes, how foolish to say otherwise.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by krapp »

kps wrote: post #76
jMyles wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Downvote me all you want: it won't change the facts. I downvoted you because you are simply incorrect about the facts. Black people make up 12% of the US population, and use illicit drugs at approximately a proportionate rate. Yet, black people make up more than half of the prison population of drug offenders, and nearly two thirds of those under any form of criminal supervision for drug offenses. Why are you sayin…

I upvoted him because it's difficult to read what he wrote (and I routinely upvote grey comments). HN should decide whether a downvote means ‘I disagree’ or ‘this isn't worth reading’ — ‘I disagree therefore this isn't worth reading’ is incompatible with reasoned discussion.

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Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by dang »

kps wrote: post #76
jMyles wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Downvote me all you want: it won't change the facts. I downvoted you because you are simply incorrect about the facts. Black people make up 12% of the US population, and use illicit drugs at approximately a proportionate rate. Yet, black people make up more than half of the prison population of drug offenders, and nearly two thirds of those under any form of criminal supervision for drug offenses. Why are you sayin…

I upvoted him because it's difficult to read what he wrote (and I routinely upvote grey comments). HN should decide whether a downvote means ‘I disagree’ or ‘this isn't worth reading’ — ‘I disagree therefore this isn't worth reading’ is incompatible with reasoned discussion.

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Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by error54 »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #77
rewqfdsa wrote: post #28

> black Americans have been claiming that such things happen and were widely ignored or disbelieved Black Americans commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crime. Black men make up 1 million out of 2.3 million people in prison. 4.7% of all black men* are in prison. A black man has a 70% chance of being in prison at some point in his life. Are you suggesting the police are framing all of these people? While police…

> Black Americans commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crime. While police conduct exists and is deplorable, my sense as an observer is that the majority of black anti-police activism is about somehow pinning the criminality of the black community on society at large. > While I of course condemn polite misconduct, I can understand how repeated interaction with a recalcitrant criminal element could harden and co…

Well said.
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