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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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That works for many people, but I'm willing to hold people to a lower standard than that.

Don't you think they'd find it insulting that you are holding them to a lower standard?

Good point, I've been phrasing that poorly. Maybe something like I don't think people should be required to walk around with a shell of emotional armor to participate in modern society.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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They turned away people from a party. From a PARTY . Not a job interview, not a restaurant, not a mortgage lender, not social services. A party. Social discrimination happens all the time. As a nerd, I've been (back in a time when nerds were shunned) uninvited or turned away from parties plenty of times. Nobody protested on my behalf. This entire brouhaha over people feeling not-as-popular-as-the-cool-sae-kids is rid…

Is this a real comparison you are really making? Between discrimination against African Americans and discrimination against nerds?

I am, but only because there's no actual evidence that it was racially-motivated, beyond the feelings of the offended.

It smacks to me of, going back to my nerd example, blaming factors outside of my own social ineptitude for not being included for social event X.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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No, we really do need to weed out the people who can't handle the argument at hand based on personal insecurity before moving forward in any discussion. Otherwise, you're just wasting cycles on them and not the actual issue. (This addresses only the first part of your comment.)

What do you mean by weed out? What are you expecting to do with them? (Not attacking, just asking)

By weeding out I simply mean to ignore. Though weeding out also suggests identifying them as well.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Yet another post for HN to one-up each other decrying the "PC culture" with plenty of "kids these days" rants, while completely avoiding taking the charitable position and putting ourselves in their shoes. The amount of hypocrisy that comes with the claims that these students should "learn to cope with uncomfortable ideas" is staggering. Guess what: these students are presenting us with an "uncomfortable idea" and th…

I can't tell/understand this PC meme. I have heard older generations talk about minorities in a way I wouldn't. It was a different time, women there are people (very old) alive born before women could vote. Maybe it is societal conditioning, but I think that is wrong and look back on older generations and think they must also have known. I can not say the same thing for much of these PC causes. I find it iritating an…

People absolutely sincerely believed that not giving women the right to vote was for the best both for society and the women themselves. There wasn't some malicious conspiracy involving a majority of the voting population.

Women were thought to be naturally uninterested in politics, and to not have the head for it anyway. Dabbling in politics was seen as an unwomanly thing ladies should be spared from.

Not unlike how people today think that the scarcity of women in tech is due to them naturally having less interest in it. It's easy to ascribe the status quo to the natural order of things.

Of writing of that era I like "Are Women People?"[1] It's written from a suffragettes point of view, but it includes some cherry-picked quotes from anti-suffragists, such as:

"The grant of suffrage to women is repugnant to instincts that strike their roots deep in the order of nature. It runs counter to human reason, it flouts the teachings of experience and the admonitions of common sense."—N.Y. Times, Feb. 7, 1915."

That was the kind of thing you could write in a newspaper of the time and have people agree with you. That should tell us something about how blind we can be to contemporary societal problems, and how silly we will look in hindsight.

[1] http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11689/11689-h/11689-h.htm

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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> Imagine what it is like to be black in a country where just a few generations back you carried at all times in mixed-race race situations the possibility of being assaulted without recourse or lynched, or in present times accused and convicted of a crime you didn't commit or shot on sight for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. > Imagine what it is like to be Jewish and have 85% of your relatives systematic…

These things get carried forward culturally. The modern Jewish experience is very much rooted in the Holocaust, and the fear that it might happen again at any time. The Holocaust was not the first, or even the largest such pogrom -- note that there is a word coined precisely to describe genocide events targeting jews -- it was just the closest to the current generation of jews in western countries. It's hard to expla…

> It's hard to explain politics regarding present-day Israel without this context, for example.

Not really. The Holocaust wasn't a factor in deciding to build a wall along the West Bank. The suicide bombers that would drive from Ramallah to Tel Aviv and blow themselves up in restaurants were.

Europeans and liberals have constructed this narrative that you are espousing. They want to believe that the Holocaust is the key to understanding Israeli policy. This allows them to dismiss Israeli policy decisions in the face of geopolitical events as simply an irrational and tragic response to their cultural trauma.

It's straight up paternalism and it's disgusting.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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I wonder how much this has to do with the general baby-ing of people of all ages. Kids don't play outside in the woods any more, parents pick up kids from their bus stops, etc. Is this because parents complained?

I can't speak, or at least not much, to the changes that occurred in the 70's. But they are still happening today, and they are decidedly NOT in response to parents. At all. In fact, parents have very little power to effect change at a SUNY school as far as I can tell. Rather, these seem to be directives coming from Albany (or beyond) and disseminated at conferences that are attended by Student Life "professionals."…

Interesting, I have noticed the same at my university and frankly I don't see the point of those jobs. All they do is raise tuition.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Because mobs like these are totally open to intellectual discourse and reason. If only the professor had done more to be courteous and empathize with the students' desired ends /s http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-... But to your point, passing the Ideological Turing Test is something that I think is worth aspiring to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_Turing_Test

Not really helping your case by using the pro Hitler, pro killing gay babies, Daily Mail though.

Please post a source for the pro Hitler comment, at least.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

It would be great if the top comment were about the content of the article instead of the character of the institution.

Or at least not about how the institution is offensive to them.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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I don't understand - a white supremacist took a quantity from the DOJ, then took a percentage from the DOJ, and multiplied them together to get a new quantity. Does multiplication become invalid when a white supremacist does it? Or do DOJ stats become false when a racist cites them? Please, I would like to understand your logic. I do find it a bit scary that when I google "black on white crime", only racist sites sho…

The source of information matters. This is doubly true for statistical claims since: * statistics are often counter-intuitive, * they are easy to manipulate or misinterpret, * manipulation requires significant effort to discover, * they are sometimes correct in form but the data is biased, * bias in the data might have been mentioned by the initial data collectors but the analyzers may omit it (either intentionally o…

Clearly multiplying "number of white victims" by "percentage of white victims with offenders who are black" is easy to manipulate and misinterpret, as well as counterintuitive.

And detecting an arithmetic error would require significant effort. I'd have to open up ipython, copy&pasting the numbers, remove the commas and other formatting, and then press enter.

Um, ok.

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