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This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by coldpie »

LunaSea wrote: post #309
coldpie wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sincerely believe our society would be improved if people could live how they want, provided they harm no one else. While I agree it's a lofty goal, I don't think we have to voluntarily shackle ourselves to a life of hard knocks. > Go ahead and try to eternally fight to erase all darkness so that there is only light. I will, thanks! Why do you think people try to impede me?

Because there's a thing called the first amendment.

Go on. How does the first amendment protect you from me and my associates shunning you for your offensive speech?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by yummyfajitas »

unprepare wrote: post #304
yummyfajitas wrote: post #274

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The data source is the NCVS, a crime victimization survey. The reason is that we aren't relying on racist cops to tell us who the perpetrator is, we are just asking the victims. The survey methodology also allows us to detect unreported crimes. One unfortunate drawback of the survey methodology is that you can't track murder. You've reached the conclusion that as a white male you should be afraid of black people... I…

>I'm sure most of us agree that his feelings are completely irrational and entirely his problem. So why aren't the irrational fears held by various student groups treated the same way? Oh, so you think being 4 times more likely to be killed by another white person, means that you have a similar cultural experience to the subjugated minorities who are complaining across university campuses. And because you have a whit…

...similar cultural experience...

No one besides you is discussing a cultural experience. The rest of us are discussing irrational reasons for fearing for one's physical safety.

...white supremacy blog that tells you that you have it just as bad as everyone else...

The blog doesn't claim this, nor does the DOJ data table which it reproduces.

Its really a fascinating argument.

You have indeed invented an interesting argument.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by CrimsnBlade »

dragonwriter wrote: post #259
strickjb9 wrote: post #182

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Except, in this scenario, the cab driver is OKWU and the new york times is also OWKU. It's reasonable for OWKU to make this announcement. They are laying out their expectations for their student body. It is inconvenient but students who dislike their position are free to transfer. OWKU is a private institution and also a religious one (even greater protection). They are well within their means and rights. I'm startin…

> It's reasonable for OWKU to make this announcement. They are laying out their expectations for their student body. It may be reasonable for OWKU to make an announcement of their expectations of student receptiveness to uncomfortable sermons, the particular details and manner in which Dr. Piper did so in this case, however, taken as presented , shows a lack of both the general adult ability to maturely deal with unc…

>the particular details and manner in which Dr. Piper did so in this case, however, taken as presented, shows a lack of both the general adult ability to maturely deal with uncomfortable situations and the specific Christian virtues it pretends to be concerned with.

Can you not judge the student under the same criteria? If the student had been pursuing Christian virtues, the student would have taken the time to see how the sermon could better him/her as a Christian, and not immediately taken offense to it.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by silentplummet »

wfo wrote: post #297
sago wrote: post #6

I think the world would be better if, before you're allowed to respond to someone being wrong, you have to first be able to express their position in a way that they agree represents their view. Because 'political correctness' isn't the cancer at the heart of social politics, it is straw-manning. On both sides of every issue. I'd be surprised, perhaps even amazed, if Dr Piper had represented the complaint in any way…

I suspect this was completely honest. You will not believe what comes out of the mouths of some of these students. Straw-manning is necessary; do you think either participant or the audience has the patience to sit and thoughtfully and carefully consider all sides of any issue in any debate? If that debate were publicized nobody would watch it. And it's a prisoner's dilemma. If you try to be respectful and thoughtful…

>Some positions are simply not worth discussing thoughtfully.

Who decides which is which? I guess you?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by johnhenry »

If I can take a stab a summarizing the article: A follower of a religious organization disagrees with the message put forth, so an official from that organization condemns the follower's views?

Since there really isn't much more information than that, I can only guess that students at OKWU aren't expected to be critical of the curriculum, and that the administration isn't terribly willing to accept this criticism, possibly due to it's biblical emphasis, but I feel like many institutes, religious or not, have this problem. Take the case of Fullerton's Math department earlier this year.

Another thing that bothers me is that the story could be anecdotal -- the lack of detail makes me suspicious as to whether it's true, or just propaganda that the author is using to enforce that students should accept what they are taught without question.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by brightball »

ebola1717 wrote: post #317
brightball wrote: post #250

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Yes...actually they are. That's what a trigger warning is. It's insisting that a declaration be given in advance to remove someone from the possibility of having to cope with something uncomfortable. A safe space is an echo chamber. If we really want to know the cause of these tendencies, we need only look to the internet. You used to need to find a group of people to hang out with in your area and in doing so you'd…

No, a trigger warning is saying "heads up, this might be especially uncomfortable for some people." Not unlike "heads up, this video has graphic and explicit violence", or "heads up, we're meeting that ex you just broke up with for dinner in a few hours."

"It's insisting that a declaration be given in advance to remove someone from the possibility of having to cope with something uncomfortable."

Which is different...how?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by LunaSea »

coldpie wrote: post #341
LunaSea wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's a thing called the first amendment.

Go on. How does the first amendment protect you from me and my associates shunning you for your offensive speech?

Because the first amendment gives me the right to say or write anything. This is a fundamental right in a democracy.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by LunaSea »

coldpie wrote: post #340
LunaSea wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it goes against the first amendment.

Outside of those that are controlled by right-wing Christian extremists, I'm not aware of any government in the US passing laws to restrict first amendment rights. Care to elaborate?

> why can't we try to reform your aggressors in the first place?

This is a synonyme for restricting free speech and the first amendment.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by forrestthewoods »

lghh wrote: post #327
forrestthewoods wrote: post #314

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Is HackerNews a safe-space for programmers? If you say anything negative about PG or silicon valley, you are downvoted. If you don't follow its rules, you are banned. If you don't have the same opinion as everyone else, don't follow the strict posting guidelines you are kicked out. It's philosophy is all fund raising capitialism, if you try something crazy you don't get funded. Isn't HackerNews just an extreme safe-s…

> I've seen it in multiple contexts and expect to see it more. Because it's a reasonable argument to make. Saying "you can't take this from me and claim it is a bad thing when I do it but a good thing when you do it" is a perfectly fine way to respond.

You're only getting upvotes for what you're saying because HackerNews is a safe-space but only so long as you stay within it's rules and monoculture so fuck you.

(note: I don't actually mean fuck you. I'd like to think y'all can see what I did there.)

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