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Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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post #43

Why should this be the "most controversial theory"? Have we already forgotten what triggered the Arab Spring, and consequently the power vacuum that created the IS? The only thing off, as far as I can tell, is the remark that "economic deprivation and the horrors of wars [...] benefited only a select few of the region's residents." I'm not sure if this is the WP mis-reading Piketty, but he makes it pretty clear in Ca…

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Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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I don't understand why we shouldn't believe what's coming straight out of ISIS' mouth. ISIS has said they're killing us because of their interpretation of a book written in the first millennia. They say this every time they attack us. Yet (mostly on the left) we keep coming up with reasons why this isn't the case. "No, actually, you're not attacking us for that reason, really it's our fault because we gave the oil to…

Things don't have a single cause. "ISIS grew out of staggeringly unequal distribution of Mideast oil wealth" and "ISIS is motivated by extreme interpretations of Islam" are able to coexist perfectly well.

Do you have any examples of "the same people" being inconsistent here? Because usually when people complain about inconsistency like this, it's actually different people being mentally categorized together, not actually the same people.

Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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On the surface this explanation doesn't make sense. Is there a correlation between extremists and countries with high income inequality? If so, provide some evidence apart from cherry picking countries which happen to have high inequality and other problems. Why aren't free democratic regimes which also have high inequality equally plagued by these problems?

Also, energy prices have fallen dramatically, affecting the coffers of many middle east governments. I don't know why he doesn't address this.

Maybe he addresses these issues in his actual research but it is missing from every piece trying to link inequality to all societies ills.

Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I don't understand why we shouldn't believe what's coming straight out of ISIS' mouth." Because they're proven masters at propaganda and messaging. To take prop at face value is the definition of naive. "ISIS has said they're killing us because of their interpretation of a book written in the first millennia." That's their justification for their actions, not the reason. Come on. Recruiting for ISIS pays $5000 - $10…

Ah. People are in poverty and to get out of poverty they blow themselves up in a public place such that they can murder a bunch of innocent civilians in the process. Got it. Good to know.

If your country was destroyed, there was no jobs, you had no money, no food, your home was crumbling, your siblings starving, your parents helpless... and you were 17 and powerless, and someone offered you $10,000 to do it... would you? Would you do something terrible to ensure that your family got a huge payday that would put food on their table for potentially years?

Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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I don't understand why we shouldn't believe what's coming straight out of ISIS' mouth. ISIS has said they're killing us because of their interpretation of a book written in the first millennia. They say this every time they attack us. Yet (mostly on the left) we keep coming up with reasons why this isn't the case. "No, actually, you're not attacking us for that reason, really it's our fault because we gave the oil to…

You're thinking of ISIS' intent, whereas Piketty's argument is about the circumstances that allow one entity to acquire so much power.

Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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I don't understand why we shouldn't believe what's coming straight out of ISIS' mouth. ISIS has said they're killing us because of their interpretation of a book written in the first millennia. They say this every time they attack us. Yet (mostly on the left) we keep coming up with reasons why this isn't the case. "No, actually, you're not attacking us for that reason, really it's our fault because we gave the oil to…

They aren't allowed to say that they're selling oil to Turkey to pay their "holy fighters" while being kickstarted by USA and Saudi Arabia.

Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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post #58

The cause of ISIS is Islamic extremism. Not income inequality. Not climate change. Islamic extremism. Those who claim otherwise are merely playing politics to advance political agendas. Sam Harris, the well-known atheist author and speaker, describes such people well[0]: "These people are part of what [Muslim reformist] Maajid Nawaz has termed the “regressive Left”—pseudo-liberals who are so blinded by identity polit…

What is the origin of the Islamic extremism? Why does this group of Muslims kill people while the vast majority do not?

Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

#69

I don't understand why we shouldn't believe what's coming straight out of ISIS' mouth. ISIS has said they're killing us because of their interpretation of a book written in the first millennia. They say this every time they attack us. Yet (mostly on the left) we keep coming up with reasons why this isn't the case. "No, actually, you're not attacking us for that reason, really it's our fault because we gave the oil to…

Because the left in the West, more than being attacked by terrorists, is afraid of being seen as politically incorrect.

Re: Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not be enough

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I stopped reading as soon as he compared having few resources to living in "conditions of semi-slavery". Slavery is the treatment of people as economic goods to be bought and sold, full-stop. Having to work harder for a living than others in wealthier areas is not slavery, it's not even close to slavery. Not being able to leave your hometown because you can't afford a plane ticket is not slavery. Not being free does not make you a slave.

I dismiss any purported economic argument as a political one when the arguer makes this misrepresentation. You're not talking about how the world is anymore, you're talking about how you want it to be.

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