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Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by SpaceCadetJones »

mikeash wrote: post #16
iokevins wrote: post #5

TL;DR: producers store juice in oxygen-less tanks, for up to one year, then add natural/synthetic chemicals, to restore taste, prior to distribution. The author suggests people make their own juice, instead.

I'm really starting to wonder what the point of juice even is. If you want fruit, eat fruit. If you want a drink, drink some water. Why combine the two? Fruit juice seems like basically a way to drink soda but with the delusion that it's good for you.

Because juice tastes way better than soda, in my opinion. Only time I like soda is with things like pizza or a burger

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by song »

mikeash wrote: post #30
masterleep wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have never felt the desire for a tart citrus beverage?

Not since I came to understand what fruit juice actually is. If I want health I'll eat the actual fruit, and if I want a tasty-but-unhealthy drink I just drink soda. Sure, the stuff tastes OK, but not as good as the fruit it comes from.

That's the thing, I love fresh orange juice. It tastes great. I do not really like Orange juice and I absolutely loath soda (it tastes awful). So I drink Orange Juice (and Apple Juice) because it tastes great.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by badloginagain »

Niten wrote: post #17
grecy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When that "fresh" OJ has a fraction of the nutritional benefits of the real thing, is it even the same thing? EDIT: https://www.google.com/search?q=nutritional+value+of+jurice+... (Change Juice type to Orange

The claim that deoxygenated orange juice has a fraction of the nutritional benefits of hand-squeezed juice is an assertion that needs to be backed up with evidence, not blindly assumed.

I charge you with the opposite task- prove industrial orange juice is healthier than juice squeezed from an orange.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by pdkl95 »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #22
jordanthoms wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have evidence for that? I prefer freshly squeezed juice because it tastes better, but processing like this allows for cheap juice to be available in large quantities year-round, which also has value.

> which also has value. No it (i.e. orange juice) doesn't have meaningful value. It's like soda minus the bubbles. Edit: 8oz of Coca-Cola contains 26g sugar: http://www.coca-colaproductfacts.com/en/coca-cola-products/c... 8oz of Tropicana orange juice contains 22g sugar: http://www.tropicana.com/products/tropicana_pure_premium/no_... If you're concerned about your Vitamin C intake, try a multi-vitamin.

The same can be said for most juices, regardless of how recently they have been squeezed.

While I usually suggest drinking something that isn't full of sugar, I'm glad science and engineering has found ways to store juice for long periods without spoiling. These techniques can probably be used in other ares. Advances in science and technology often have wider benefits, often unexpected.

The only potential problem I see with the orange juice situation is labeling. More accurate labeling requirements keep markets honest, and the claim of being "freshly squeezed" factually wrong given any reasonable definition of "fresh".

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

grecy wrote: post #14
jinushaun wrote: post #8

I know this article is trying to "scare me with science," but it actually makes me proud that science allows for orange juice year round. Fresh is always better than not fresh, but this is something we as a society should be proud of, not ashamed.

When that "fresh" OJ has a fraction of the nutritional benefits of the real thing, is it even the same thing? EDIT: https://www.google.com/search?q=nutritional+value+of+jurice+... (Change Juice type to Orange

It all depends on your reason for drinking OJ in the first place. Maybe you, grecy, drink OJ primarily for the nutritional value of it. But i'll bet pounds to pennies that the average person drinks it primarily, and maybe only, because they enjoy the taste. And because the human body needs and craves fluids, of course.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by pm90 »

cubano wrote: post #32

If you don't care for how your OJ is processed, you should really dislike that bottle of wine, too. Sulfur Dioxide The most widely used wine additive. It kills microbes and prevents oxidation. Few vintners dare to ­bottle a wine without it, but overuse can make a vino stink like burnt matches. Ammonium Salts A touch of diammonium phosphate revives dying yeast and keeps it from producing too much sulfur. Water If a ba…

I wonder if something similar is involved in other spirits as well? Beer or Whiskey?

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by SpaceCadetJones »

pmoriarty wrote: post #15
gruez wrote: post #10

> I’m not questioning the health or merit of added chemicals (“natural” or “synthetic”) Oh good, I thought you were afraid of chemicals >I’m questioning the health or merit of so-called foods that are so devoid of flavor or color that we have to add back in chemical flavorings and colors to make them palatable. Wait what? I thought you weren't questioning the health or merit chemicals? People like orange juice (more…

When consumers buy juice labelled "natural" or "100% juice" they expect juice that hasn't had anything added or taken away from it, especially not something that doesn't actually exist in nature. The article was written to inform consumers about what they're actually getting and how they're getting deceived.

While I appreciate what the other wrote, it came across somewhat as an anti-synthetic piece that plays off of fear rather information. We shouldn't be labeling these as non-concentrate, but I don't see a reason to be particularly concerned about it.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by ridgeguy »

meursault334 wrote: post #35

I've wondered why the fresh orange juice machines you see in Spain commonly are never seen in the United States. Is there a food safety law that prevents this or is it just a matter of preference?

Roberts Market in Woodside CA used to have an orange juice squeezer until a few years ago. It was really nice - I could toss in oranges (or grapefruit, or tangerines) and go home with delicious fresh juice. Don't know why they removed it.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by Cakez0r »

mikeash wrote: post #16
iokevins wrote: post #5

TL;DR: producers store juice in oxygen-less tanks, for up to one year, then add natural/synthetic chemicals, to restore taste, prior to distribution. The author suggests people make their own juice, instead.

I'm really starting to wonder what the point of juice even is. If you want fruit, eat fruit. If you want a drink, drink some water. Why combine the two? Fruit juice seems like basically a way to drink soda but with the delusion that it's good for you.

Juice isn't really seen as a healthy choice in England. It's pretty much just a soda equivalent over here (in terms of healthiness). People drink it just because it tastes good.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by thaumasiotes »

I found this a little odd:

> Haven’t you ever wondered why every glass of Tropicana Pure Premium orange juice tastes the same, no matter where in the world you buy it or what time of year you’re drinking it in? Or maybe your brand of choice is Minute Maid or Simply Orange or Florida’s Natural. Either way, I can ask the same question. Why is the taste and flavor so consistent?

And then

> The packs added to juice earmarked for the North American market tend to contain high amounts of ethyl butyrate, a chemical in the fragrance of fresh squeezed orange juice that, juice companies have discovered, Americans favor. Mexicans and Brazilians have a different palate. Flavor packs fabricated for juice geared to these markets therefore highlight different chemicals

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