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The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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TL;DR: producers store juice in oxygen-less tanks, for up to one year, then add natural/synthetic chemicals, to restore taste, prior to distribution. The author suggests people make their own juice, instead.

I'm really starting to wonder what the point of juice even is. If you want fruit, eat fruit. If you want a drink, drink some water. Why combine the two? Fruit juice seems like basically a way to drink soda but with the delusion that it's good for you.

Yes that is the point of juice. Why is that surprising? People love cheating, and drinking juice instead of eating fruit is a way to cheat -- get more of the sweet and less of the bland fiber.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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If you don't care for how your OJ is processed, you should really dislike that bottle of wine, too.

Sulfur Dioxide The most widely used wine additive. It kills microbes and prevents oxidation. Few vintners dare to ­bottle a wine without it, but overuse can make a vino stink like burnt matches.

Ammonium Salts A touch of diammonium phosphate revives dying yeast and keeps it from producing too much sulfur.

Water If a batch of vino ends up a bit too boozy, just add some water.

Oak adjuncts Oak barrels can make wine taste drier and lend it notes of vanilla, but they’re expensive. A cheaper alternative? Oak chips, sawdust, or “essence”—a liquefied wood product that can be added directly to an otherwise finished wine.

Tartaric Acid A naturally occurring acid found in grapes, it’s particularly critical in white wines, where tartness gives each sip a pleasing snap. Wines with insufficient acidity can get a boost from powdered tartaric acid.

Powdered Tannin Naturally present in grape skins and seeds as well as oak, tannin creates texture and astringency. Typically made from a growth on oak trees called a nutgall, powdered tannin can punch up lackluster wine.

Sugar If grapes aren’t ripe enough when picked, adding cane or beet sugar to the must can help them ferment. The catch: Adding sugar, called chaptalization, is illegal in California, Italy, and Australia. (It’s legal in New Zealand, Oregon, and parts of France, though allowed amounts vary.)

Pectic Enzymes Complex proteins that can be used to alter color, improve clarity, release aromatic compounds, and speed up aging.

Gum Arabic Made from the sap of the acacia tree, gum arabic softens tannins to reduce astringency and make the wine’s body more silky. This can make a tough and somewhat bitter red wine ready to drink immediately.

Velcorin (dimethyl dicarbonate) First introduced in the 1980s—though increasingly controversial—this microbial control agent can kill a half-dozen wine-­ruining bacteria and yeasts when added in minute quantities. It’s also widely used in fruit juices.

Mega ­Purple Made from the concentrated syrup of Rubired grapes, Mega ­Purple is a thick goo that winemakers rely on to correct color issues—a few drops can turn a ­bottle of wine from a weak salmon blush to an appealingly intense crimson—and to make a wine look consistent from batch to batch. In a 119-liter wine barrel, just 200 milliliters is enough to do the trick. Mega ­Purple is made by Constellation Brands, the company behind famous labels like Robert Mondavi and Ravens­wood. While on the record no one will cop to using it (or any other additive), industry insiders say that even high-end winemakers have employed it to deepen the color of their wines, a trait that connotes richness and quality, earns better ratings from critics, and commands higher ­bottle prices.

[1]http://www.wired.com/2014/04/how-to-make-wine-taste-good/

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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If you don't care for how your OJ is processed, you should really dislike that bottle of wine, too. Sulfur Dioxide The most widely used wine additive. It kills microbes and prevents oxidation. Few vintners dare to ­bottle a wine without it, but overuse can make a vino stink like burnt matches. Ammonium Salts A touch of diammonium phosphate revives dying yeast and keeps it from producing too much sulfur. Water If a ba…

One thing that really surprised me about the ingredients of wine is that animal products are often used. For example, isinglass[1] and other animal products which many vegetarians would usually avoid.[2]

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isinglass

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_and_wine

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #16
post #5

TL;DR: producers store juice in oxygen-less tanks, for up to one year, then add natural/synthetic chemicals, to restore taste, prior to distribution. The author suggests people make their own juice, instead.

I'm really starting to wonder what the point of juice even is. If you want fruit, eat fruit. If you want a drink, drink some water. Why combine the two? Fruit juice seems like basically a way to drink soda but with the delusion that it's good for you.

You assume that:

1) People know what's good for them

2) People want what's good for them

The existence of an economically viable product such as juice indicates that whatever the industry is doing, people want in its presented form.

Whether it's good for them or not is a completely different question.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Is there any actual evidence that MSG should be "cause for concern"?

There is a balance to be kept by the body between GABA and glutamate (oversimplification). The former is an inhibitory neurotransmitter, and the latter is excitatory. So - it really depends. If your nervous system is overexcited, having glutamate (doesn't matter whether from natural or lab-made sources) might be a bad idea. If you are pretty balanced or have a GABA surplus, you'll be fine.

BTW this balance does seem to play a role in autism and ADHD, and suppressing glutamate is considered as an option in this article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25666800

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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There was an interesting CBC News show on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e4CEm9yybo The most interesting thing was that people were so used to the taste of the processed OJ that they preferred it to the fresh squeezed OJ.

Some people even prefer tastes that are obviously artificial, like Sunny Delight ("Sunny D" in some places) or Tang crystals.
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