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Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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I'm one of those annoying people that has never had MacBook charger perish or fray, until very recently I still had a 2011 MBP and its original charger was fine. But yes I've seen people with dangerously broken chargers before, I have noticed they're often people with cracked phone screens - I wonder if they're perhaps people that are either more physically active with their hardware or perhaps more careless with loo…

I have a cat. None of my other charging cables are vulnerable except my macbook pro one. I've already lost two! Even if they made it easier to replace just the cable that goes from the adapter to the macbook it would be a big win for me.

I thought that they used a bitterant in the plastic. I guess I thought wrong.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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I support around 300 Macs for work. In my extensive experience, the deal here is that people are FAR too rough and careless in winding up those charger cables over and over. Apple HAS implemented strain relief here and done their best to make the points of failure less vulnerable. Here's a tip: Instead of yanking the cable at a 90-degree angle and winding as tightly as possible, let the cable come out of the charger…

I've owned Macbooks consistently for about 6 years now, I always use that little loop technique when winding the cord. I've never had a charger fray or fail on me.

This seems to be very much a "your mileage may vary" thing. I always used that same technique and went through 4 chargers before I finally got sick of the darn things. Then there are a lot of people like you who think that people like me must have hammers or wire dikes for hands.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Despite the visual appeal of their products, Apple normally does a very good job with prioritizing function over form except in this case with the charger wire being so fragile and thin. I know I'm not the most careful and delicate person in the world, but the failure rate here is ridiculous compared to other similar products I own. The end of the cable gets frayed every single time. Otherwise, Apple makes ridiculous…

I support around 300 Macs for work. In my extensive experience, the deal here is that people are FAR too rough and careless in winding up those charger cables over and over. Apple HAS implemented strain relief here and done their best to make the points of failure less vulnerable. Here's a tip: Instead of yanking the cable at a 90-degree angle and winding as tightly as possible, let the cable come out of the charger…

I am a charger hoarder: One at work, one in the backpack, several at home.

Take my phone for example - I tend to have a charger in every room of the house, several for my backpack and one at my desk.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Despite the visual appeal of their products, Apple normally does a very good job with prioritizing function over form except in this case with the charger wire being so fragile and thin. I know I'm not the most careful and delicate person in the world, but the failure rate here is ridiculous compared to other similar products I own. The end of the cable gets frayed every single time. Otherwise, Apple makes ridiculous…

I support around 300 Macs for work. In my extensive experience, the deal here is that people are FAR too rough and careless in winding up those charger cables over and over. Apple HAS implemented strain relief here and done their best to make the points of failure less vulnerable. Here's a tip: Instead of yanking the cable at a 90-degree angle and winding as tightly as possible, let the cable come out of the charger…

If using a product in the most obvious and intuitive way causes it to fail, it's the product's fault, not the user's. It should be redesigned so the obvious use is the correct one. Plenty of laptop power supplies have cables designed to wrap around the brick for storage and don't have failure rates like this.

Apple has not implemented proper strain relief, with a perforated sleeve (presumably for aesthetic reasons), and they still use a thin, over-flexible wire. Their own website shows the cable wrapped tightly--on a page about avoiding cable damage, no less. (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201600)

Blaming the user for, essentially, not being an engineer is common in the tech industry, and it really doesn't help anything, especially from a company that claims to be (and generally is!) as user-friendly as Apple.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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One thing which bugs me about this article is he conflates "complex" with "good". As an electronic designer I spend a huge amount of effort trying to make things as simple as possible. Complexity may be required to meet certain requirements but in general keeping it simple makes things more reliable and more cost effective.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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I'm one of those annoying people that has never had MacBook charger perish or fray, until very recently I still had a 2011 MBP and its original charger was fine. But yes I've seen people with dangerously broken chargers before, I have noticed they're often people with cracked phone screens - I wonder if they're perhaps people that are either more physically active with their hardware or perhaps more careless with loo…

I have a cat. None of my other charging cables are vulnerable except my macbook pro one. I've already lost two! Even if they made it easier to replace just the cable that goes from the adapter to the macbook it would be a big win for me.

Yeah, I already lost three chargers because of my cats. I ended up wrapping the cord with one of those "Cable Organizer" things (I don't know their real name), which also helps with strain relief.

http://i.imgur.com/WCbGRZx.jpg

It looks terrible but at least it will last as long as the laptop.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Is this the new model? I got the 2012 version (UK) and got the modular charger with cord-to-wall-wart plus wall-wart-only...

Yes. It's the MacBook Air-like fanless one [1] with only 2 ports: headphone and USB-C. And half a power cable. And no MagSafe. Did I mention I'm a little bitter? [1] http://www.apple.com/macbook/

That sucks. May I ask why you got the MacBook? The air always liked like a better deal to me.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I support around 300 Macs for work. In my extensive experience, the deal here is that people are FAR too rough and careless in winding up those charger cables over and over. Apple HAS implemented strain relief here and done their best to make the points of failure less vulnerable. Here's a tip: Instead of yanking the cable at a 90-degree angle and winding as tightly as possible, let the cable come out of the charger…

I've had two chargers fail, now I treat them very gently and wind them like you suggest. I wish the charger design was more robust. Most chargers for other laptops are uglier but much more robust.

Dell makes chargers that are very small (or at least thin) but are very though. The Apple charger is small but quite bulky (especially with a UK plug) I got both an MBP 15 and a Dell XPS 15 and the Dell charger fits better in every bag i have. It's has the overall footprint of a ~5-5.5" phone/phablet and is about half as thick as the Apple charger. http://www.amazon.com/Original-Dell-Replacement-Precision-Co...

I actually find the Apple charger a bit annoying, it doesn't fit flat in any of the smaller / side pockets of my briefcases or messenger bags, and overall the Dell charger isn't "ugly" if you would gave it the apple "storm trooper white" finish and an apple logo it would not look out of place in Apple's catalog.

The other thing I kinda hate about Apple is the fact that it won't take a standard mickey mouse cable, if you forget the cable / socket plug you are pretty much screwed if you are at a non-startup company :<

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

#189
Here’s my approach to the MacBook flimsy cable problem:

1. Sometime during warranty period, purchase AppleCare extended warranty.

2. Don’t worry about cable strain, just treat cable as if it were well made.

3. When cable frays, return power adapter to Apple Store for a free replacement.

4. Rinse and repeat.

AppleCare also comes in handy when the $800 display fails.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Of course people are "too rough" with their power adapters, but the mfg should take that into account when designing such a component.

Yep. And Apple did. That's why there is more robust strain relief than it used to have, and that's why there is MagSafe, which is vastly superior to the PC side when dealing with yanks and ordinary abuse.

I much prefer the disposal (consumable) MagSafe adapters. I've ripped out the prior RCA (?) style Powerbook connector numerous times.

But if the MagSafe connector cannot be made more robust (durable), then it should be replaceable.

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