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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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wow that makes me want to apply at facebook

Which large tech companies don't have paid paternity leave? It's kind of a common thing... https://www.fatherly.com/50-best-places-to-work-for-new-dads...

Ahh, unfortunately most startups can't afford that kind of policy.

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This is great. It sends the message that no matter who you are, prioritizing family over business is an option, especially when a newborn has arrived. I'm also willing to bet that it's good for business. An employee with better relationships at home is more likely to be productive at work in the long term.

What kind of message does it send? Take two months off when you could afford to retire? If I were in his shoes, I'd sell my shares in that website, take a few years off and then go a little Bill Gates, a little Elon Musk. I guess this is why I'm not a successful businessman.

Work - life balance also means not going overboard on the slacking side too. Plenty of IPO millionaires "retire" and find themselves bored silly after their world trips.

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I am jealous. My mega-large, hyphenated corporation only gives 40 hours. Which I have just had approved (today!) so that I could help care for my newborn son while my wife recovers from caesarian section. Doing this required multiple calls to a third party company that hypenated-corporation has subcontracted their leave and disability claims to, as well as about 30 pages worth of paperwork. I spent about half as much…

Wrong. You may take 12 weeks without losing your job under federal law. Only one of your weeks would be paid.

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The point of unlimited is that it's not limited by HR, its negotiated with your manager. 4 to 6 weeks is common. More, it depends on your circumstances.

Then it's not unlimited and should not be billed as such.

Have you ever worked for a large company? It's unlimited by policy rather than by hewing to minimum government standards or gain-weeks-by-seniority as has been the case for 80 years. That's the point. There's no confusion here except to be pedantic.

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California requires employers to cash out unused vacation days to employees when they leave the company [0]. Therefore instead of giving a certain number of days, some sketchy companies have an "unlimited vacation" policy, so they can claim to offer great benefits, when they're really just trying to save money. The norm at these sketchy companies is definitely no more than 2-3 weeks vacation in practice. [0] http://w…

Correct. Since employees don't accrue vacation hours, companies are not required to carry the equivalent pay on their balance sheet as a liability. It varies state by state, but California (where most startups are currently located) does convert this liability to an employee cash out upon leaving the company. Unlimited vacation means no accrual so no balance sheet hit. It's a sketchy way to save money while effective…

"Unlimited vacation means no accrual so no balance sheet hit."

This is true.

"Now, the industry largely knows that it is industry speak for "2-3 weeks vacation but up to manager discretion."

This is generally false for a certain size of company (> 1000 employees). In my case, 4 weeks is common, it varies.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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wow that makes me want to apply at facebook

Which large tech companies don't have paid paternity leave? It's kind of a common thing... https://www.fatherly.com/50-best-places-to-work-for-new-dads...

Facebook has had the most, and pressured others to copy.

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Sorry, but this is probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read on HN.

Why don't you enlighten us with a rebuttal, then?

Rich people need pooor laborers to create the wealth they get 50% as capitalists and consumers.

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>Microsoft software was not 'utter crap'. it wasn't but... >Word won by virtue of being better than WordPerfect. Excel won by being better than lotus Excel and Word won by virtue of being bundled and thus cheaper than buying Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect separately. >IE 5 was a better browser than Netscape 4, though in that case its superiority was not why it won No, because the battle was won by IE 4, by being part of…

Bundling Excel and Word (and more) into a single MS Office product was a masterstroke that definitely helped them, but you can't claim that was some sort of evil monopolistic genius. They developed an integrated suite and that turned out to have value. IE 4 vs Netscape 4 was a lot more complicated. They were technically fairly equal but Microsoft did everything it could to kill off Netscape, including many dirty tact…

>Bundling Excel and Word (and more) into a single MS Office product was a masterstroke that definitely helped them, but you can't claim that was some sort of evil monopolistic genius

But I didn't

>Desktop Linux was a joke at that time and has never caught up. Basic things like "how can I install this program" or "why does my sound not work" were FAQs for Linux users in 2001, and arguably the community never really overcame its internal political issues to solve them.

Are we really going to rehash 15 years old arguments? It's a lot easier to give a smooth hardware support experience to the user when you do it for them, if you had to install windows from scratch back then it would have been different.

Windows XP was successful for the same reasons Windows ME, Windows 98 and Windows 95 were successful, backwards compatibility and you got it preinstalled on every computer.

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FYI you can probably take 12 weeks unpaid leave, as guaranteed by FMLA. I'm guessing your employer would exercise the option to pay out vacation time concurrently. To take FMLA requires nothing more than telling your boss you need time off to take care of a newborn (or any other valid reason), so it's not too late. They can make you fill out paperwork but denying the leave if it's valid is illegal. You're guaranteed…

Oh great, I can stop getting paid just as I have a kid. That sounds wonderful.

Kids cost money either way. You probably decided having kids would be worth it for you. What is 3 unpaid months - let's say 30000$? That is nothing compared to what you'll pay for your kid over time.

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This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.

Summary: maybe they should try not being poor. If I am to take this to its logical conclusion, I guess there are entire nations, indeed probably most of the human population, who you think should just not reproduce.

If by "summary" you mean "lie about what I said", maybe.

"If I am to take this to its logical conclusion, I guess there are entire nations, indeed probably most of the human population, who you think should just not reproduce."

Yeah, pretty much. Why are you advocating that children be born into a life of misery?

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