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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by Syrup-tan »

ekianjo wrote: post #189
keerthiko wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike Microsoft was to Bill Gates, Facebook seems to embody Mark's lifelong ideologies (connecting everyone in the world). He has often said he doesn't see himself doing anything with his life other than building the future of Facebook, just in a different form if Facebook hadn't taken off. On the other hand Gates just hit the lottery on one of the projects he worked on related to a field he was good at, when what h…

> On the other hand Gates just hit the lottery on one of the projects he worked on related to a field he was good at Won the lottery, not really. Bill Gates was a harsh businessman who relentlessly fought to kill off competition by all means possible - it was not by mistake that Microsoft became what it is. And, I'd dare say that it has very little correlation with how "good" he/they were at all. Most Microsoft softw…

I think GP's point was _why_ they were building what they were building. Gate's was just doing work in his field, whereas Zuckerberg was working towards his ideology. Gate's didn't have the strong sentiment towards his business that Zuckerberg did/does.

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Post by parasubvert »

The fact this is front page news on multiple outlets , and a pile of cynical comments here, underscores how weird America is with attitudes around "paid insurance benefits", whether healthcare, vacation, and parental leave.

Unlimited vacation policies are intended to make people act more like Canada or Europe where 4-6 weeks paid vacation is common. Most civilized countries have employer benefits plans that cover most of your salary as a parent for 12-16 weeks, and by the government (up to ~$50k annually) for 52 weeks shared between parents.

Mark is doing what most Dads do, and it's a good example.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by ekianjo »

Syrup-tan wrote: post #211
ekianjo wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the other hand Gates just hit the lottery on one of the projects he worked on related to a field he was good at Won the lottery, not really. Bill Gates was a harsh businessman who relentlessly fought to kill off competition by all means possible - it was not by mistake that Microsoft became what it is. And, I'd dare say that it has very little correlation with how "good" he/they were at all. Most Microsoft softw…

I think GP's point was _why_ they were building what they were building. Gate's was just doing work in his field, whereas Zuckerberg was working towards his ideology. Gate's didn't have the strong sentiment towards his business that Zuckerberg did/does.

Well ZuckerBerg is still in his early 30s, it's probably too early to say that he will stay at Facebook forever. People change with age as well, no matter what he may be thinking about currently.

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Post by ascorbic »

dharma1 wrote: post #196

UK here. Paternity leave is 2 weeks off - half of that unpaid. It's a disgrace. https://www.gov.uk/paternity-pay-leave/overview

You can also share up to 52 weeks with the other parent, paid (though not very much). https://www.gov.uk/shared-parental-leave-and-pay

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by aws_ls »

wavefunction wrote: post #73
hoorayimhelping wrote: post #56

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It must be tough being the CEO of facebook. This is his own company which I'm sure he loves running and wants to continue to do so. But he's in a situation where the social and political climate basically dictates that he take paternity leave. The same climate also dictates that if he takes any less than the full amount, he's sending a message that the whole four months is a gesture of goodwill and you should only ta…

Dude can do whatever he wants for the rest of his life. His only handcuffs are the ones he chooses for himself.

So can you (or me), or all the lucky ones above a certain threshold. We all have the same time! Which is the biggest leveler. Our only handcuffs are our own making, say after you have FU money[1]. (e.g. having a million dollars net worth is not safe enough. Got to be at least 10s of million dollar networth. And this would keep changing. )

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfeXqHFmPI (NSFW. Had seen if shared on HN few years back, can't recall by who)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by collyw »

ta0o0o0 wrote: post #158
Turing_Machine wrote: post #61

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This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.

Do you plan on retiring? Who's going to produce the goods and services you intend to purchase in your retirement? First world birth rates are already low. Under your guidance we'd have a demographic crisis like you wouldn't believe. Sure, there's immigration, but I don't see why your rule doesn't apply to poor people in other countries.

Fuck up the planet in order to preserve the ecconomic system. Does anything strike you as wrong with that?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by loceng »

keerthiko wrote: post #187
wobbleblob wrote: post #174

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What kind of message does it send? Take two months off when you could afford to retire? If I were in his shoes, I'd sell my shares in that website, take a few years off and then go a little Bill Gates, a little Elon Musk. I guess this is why I'm not a successful businessman.

Unlike Microsoft was to Bill Gates, Facebook seems to embody Mark's lifelong ideologies (connecting everyone in the world). He has often said he doesn't see himself doing anything with his life other than building the future of Facebook, just in a different form if Facebook hadn't taken off. On the other hand Gates just hit the lottery on one of the projects he worked on related to a field he was good at, when what h…

Mark Zuckerberg hit the lottery by fucking over the people who hired him, too; his careless ethics allowing him to "win the lottery." Not going to say more about this because the rabbit hole goes pretty deep when I've tried to get into discussion about this on fairness and the way people try to justify it is remarkable.

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Post by frik »

Bud wrote: post #207
Joeri wrote: post #202

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Microsoft software was not 'utter crap'. Word won by virtue of being better than WordPerfect. Excel won by being better than lotus. IE 5 was a better browser than Netscape 4, though in that case its superiority was not why it won. Even in the windows vs mac contest windows XP was a much better OS than the contemporary Mac OS, and arguably the best desktop OS of its day. Don't get me wrong. Microsoft software was crap…

I can agree with you about Word and Excel. I personally disagree about Netscape 4 versus IE 5, and I can remember both. You assertion about XP being better than Mac OS X, however, is hilarious. If that's true, why did XP die, and why was Mac OS X so radically more secure than Windows for the last 15 years running? Why was it more stable? Why did it work better? Why did it have a shockingly better UI? XP was crap and…

> WinXP

Never heard about the Windows NT operating system series?

WinNT series:

WinNT 3.5 (1988-1994, based on VMS a bit on OS/2 designs) -> WinNT 4 -> Win2000 -> WinXP (August 24th 2001) -> WinVista -> Win7 -> Win8x -> Win10 (2015) [exluding all service packs]

MacOS X:

NeXTSTEP (1987-1989, based on Unix) -> OPENSTEP -> Rhapsody (1997) -> Mac OS X Server 1.0 -> Mac OS X Public Beta -> Mac OS X 10.0 (March 24th 2001, this is the first MacOS X you know) -> 10.1 -> 10.2 -> 10.3 -> 10.4 -> 10.5 -> 10.6 -> 10.7 -> 10.8 -> 10.9 -> 10.10 -> 10.11 (= El Capitan, 2015)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by vegabook »

Whatever you say about Zuck, this is a nice post. Down to earth, real, warm. I also can't help but appreciate the non-prevalence of designer stuff and furniture everywhere in the photo, despite his net worth. Thanks Zuck. You've nicely wrong-footed all the "robot" charges. My your family and child be happy, healthy, and fulfilled.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

nl wrote: post #164
thaumasiotes wrote: post #154

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Steve Jobs, the child of two Ivy League students? That would in no way qualify under "you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands".

Job's biological father came from a wealthy background. He and Job's mother met at University of Wisconsin (not from the US, but pretty sure that isn't Ivy League). The mother was working as a TA, so she wasn't wealthy.

OK, I misremembered. University of Wisconsin is not Ivy League. But I stand by the point; working as a TA doesn't make you wealthy, but it does mean you can get a better job than working at McDonald's.
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