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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by bbq »

x5n1 wrote: post #48
acangiano wrote: post #7

This is great. It sends the message that no matter who you are, prioritizing family over business is an option, especially when a newborn has arrived. I'm also willing to bet that it's good for business. An employee with better relationships at home is more likely to be productive at work in the long term.

Zuck could take the rest of his life off work. And when he's an old man he will wish that he had. But in the mean time the share holders can benefit from his keen.

Can you point me to any historical titans of industry who regret their life's work?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by SCAQTony »

acangiano wrote: post #7

This is great. It sends the message that no matter who you are, prioritizing family over business is an option, especially when a newborn has arrived. I'm also willing to bet that it's good for business. An employee with better relationships at home is more likely to be productive at work in the long term.

...But how long will it take for paternal leave to trickle down to the largest employers in America who pay near or at minimum wage?

1) Wal-Mart Stores 2,200,000 2) Yum! Brands 523,000 3) McDonald's 440,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers_in_t...

IMHO a billionaire taking a two-month leave will not inspire a majority of the top 50 employers to allow their male workforce to take 2-months off. YMMV

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by benihana »

scurvy wrote: post #24
engi_nerd wrote: post #13

I am jealous. My mega-large, hyphenated corporation only gives 40 hours. Which I have just had approved (today!) so that I could help care for my newborn son while my wife recovers from caesarian section. Doing this required multiple calls to a third party company that hypenated-corporation has subcontracted their leave and disability claims to, as well as about 30 pages worth of paperwork. I spent about half as much…

Bummer. Move to a state with family leave laws. CA gives 6 weeks of paid leave to everyone: http://www.edd.ca.gov/disability/FAQ_PFL_Benefits.htm

>Move to a state with family leave laws.

Just move! Great and completely realistic solution to the problem of what to do about paternity leave within my company when a kid is on the way. Brilliant! I wish I'd thought of that.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by o0-0o »

bbq wrote: post #51
x5n1 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuck could take the rest of his life off work. And when he's an old man he will wish that he had. But in the mean time the share holders can benefit from his keen.

Can you point me to any historical titans of industry who regret their life's work?

Comparing an "ad man" to a "historical titan of industry" sounds a bit fishy to me. Now, if we were talking about Elon Musk, I'd agree!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by xiaoma »

PinguTS wrote: post #35

To be honest, compared to Germany that is not a good news. In Germany, you can have this up to 36 months (3 years) for both parants and your employer can't send you a notice to quit. So, to be honest, I have to laugh at Zuck. Or say it another way: I think, he does not value his kids. I am a shamed of him.

What if you have four children, spaced out evenly over twelve years in Germany? Do you just not need to work for twelve years?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by hoorayimhelping »

scurvy wrote: post #8

Ugh. I'm not trying to be super negative, but he's setting a bad precedent by taking half the amount of allowed leave. "We offer 4 months, but Zuck only took 2. Wanna be like Zuck?" He should take the full 4 months and show everyone that it's OK. This is like the unspoken mantra of "unlimited vacation" really being only 2 - 2.5 weeks.

It must be tough being the CEO of facebook. This is his own company which I'm sure he loves running and wants to continue to do so. But he's in a situation where the social and political climate basically dictates that he take paternity leave. The same climate also dictates that if he takes any less than the full amount, he's sending a message that the whole four months is a gesture of goodwill and you should only take half of that. If he takes an entire four months, he probably gets criticized for being lazy and for not making the board their money. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by engi_nerd »

logn wrote: post #38
engi_nerd wrote: post #13

I am jealous. My mega-large, hyphenated corporation only gives 40 hours. Which I have just had approved (today!) so that I could help care for my newborn son while my wife recovers from caesarian section. Doing this required multiple calls to a third party company that hypenated-corporation has subcontracted their leave and disability claims to, as well as about 30 pages worth of paperwork. I spent about half as much…

FYI you can probably take 12 weeks unpaid leave, as guaranteed by FMLA. I'm guessing your employer would exercise the option to pay out vacation time concurrently. To take FMLA requires nothing more than telling your boss you need time off to take care of a newborn (or any other valid reason), so it's not too late. They can make you fill out paperwork but denying the leave if it's valid is illegal. You're guaranteed…

Yes, I am aware of this. I made sure to educate myself on FMLA during my wife's first pregnancy.

I will use some banked compensatory time to make my leave last about six weeks.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by engi_nerd »

serge2k wrote: post #46
logn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI you can probably take 12 weeks unpaid leave, as guaranteed by FMLA. I'm guessing your employer would exercise the option to pay out vacation time concurrently. To take FMLA requires nothing more than telling your boss you need time off to take care of a newborn (or any other valid reason), so it's not too late. They can make you fill out paperwork but denying the leave if it's valid is illegal. You're guaranteed…

Oh great, I can stop getting paid just as I have a kid. That sounds wonderful.

Exactly why I am not taking any unpaid leave.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by bisRepetita »

It's a very personal choice for everyone, as Mark points out. That said, I believe the first 2 months are not always the most interesting for a father, nor when the most helpful. First 2 weeks sure!

After that, if you stay home doing emails, maybe you should go back to work for real, and keep some time for later in the year...

Not a universal truth, but I liked the love curve over time here: https://www.ted.com/talks/rufus_griscom_alisa_volkman_let_s_...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by o0-0o »

trynumber9 wrote: post #5

"At Facebook we offer our US employees up to 4 months of paid maternity or paternity leave which they can take throughout the year." He's managed to make his paternity leave a PR opportunity. Acute.

Acute or slimy. Hard to tell the difference anymore, eh?
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