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Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by abalashov »

rezashirazian wrote: post #212
0xFFC wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Iranian (I am commenting from Tehran) I completely approve your point of view.I even explained in long comment in this post(you can find it in bottom).Iranian regime nightmare is liberal people( because they are the most effective opposition to current regime, all of other opposition's dismantled by regime very easily they don't even exist in society). you know why? Because they are only threat to nature of this u…

I always thought Iranians saw Islam as a tradition, not so much a defining aspect of their identity.

For a large and influential constituency in Iran, this is true. Iran is a very complex, multipolar environment, in contrast to the facile way it is generally presented as a monolith ruled in an absolutist way by mad mullahs or whatever. There are at least three significant camps in Iran.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by abalashov »

hackuser wrote: post #230
mratzloff wrote: post #181

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Iran was a U.S. ally under the Shahs, whose reign lasted from the coup we supported or engineered (against their mostly democratic governemnt) in 1953 until the revolution in 1979. The beginning of Mohammad Reza's reign was in 1941 and had nothing to do with the US. The coup (by both the US and UK) was about reversing the nationalization of Iran's oil industry, not about installing Mohammad Reza as king. Britain and…

Whatever the mechanics the US and UK effectively removed Prime Minister Mosaddegh from power and gave it to, and supported the Shah (Reza). Is that not correct?

Yes, it is correct. Although, as with any CIA destabilisation and coup operation, a certain layer of plausible deniability was a key strategic consideration.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by raverbashing »

azth wrote: post #216
raverbashing wrote: post #31

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No, of course not We just have "Sharia Law" areas in the UK, honour killings in Canada, people getting shot in France and elsewhere because of drawings, etc And if someone disagrees I'd like to hear your opinion.

The phrase "Shariah Law" keeps being thrown around like by people who don't know what it means to spread FUD. Honor killings are prohibited Islamically. Here is an example of ISIS being denounced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ2HlIYRvCM

There's always someone to say "X is prohibited" and people that do X and that profess to be allowed.

Ah so is it wrong? Go tell them. Also look at Apostasy and how it's dealt with in the majority of Muslim majority countries

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Post by iofj »

Thriptic wrote: post #227
0xFFC wrote: post #11

I commented this in a post 3 days ago.it is completely applicable here,I know maybe this is not right thing to do -copying my old cm- but those point I think closely related to the topic.( there will be Isis like groups until West's ally in middle East is most corrupted regime maybe in world.how do you want people to not be terrorist when Saudi Arabia is one of the closest society in planet . how do you expect people…

> Academia fights against mullah's, science fights, liberal people fighting against mullah's more effective than any other person in whole revolution history...BUT THEY CANNOT FIGHT WITH INTERNET, WITH TOR, WITH STUDENTS who USE TOR. Give them internet , provide them satellite , Facebook/twitter/YouTube/porn , Show them fucking beautiful women in Texas(with respect to women, I just want show sexual incentives), show…

You need to explain why this is not working in Europe before going down this path. None of the terrorists in Europe were lacking in access to internet, porn, ... Any lf that.

Yet they still kill.

In fact if most of the isis fighters do co e from the west, that goes for most of them too.

So imho this explanations doesn't work.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by azth »

raverbashing wrote: post #243
azth wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "Shariah Law" keeps being thrown around like by people who don't know what it means to spread FUD. Honor killings are prohibited Islamically. Here is an example of ISIS being denounced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ2HlIYRvCM

There's always someone to say "X is prohibited" and people that do X and that profess to be allowed. Ah so is it wrong? Go tell them. Also look at Apostasy and how it's dealt with in the majority of Muslim majority countries

> There's always someone to say "X is prohibited" and people that do X and that profess to be allowed.

We have proof that it is prohibited, and it is the onus of those claiming otherwise to demonstrate how it isn't. I don't known where you're saying that any Muslim professes that honor killings are allowed.

> Ah so is it wrong? Go tell them.

Many already are, as how I showed in the video I linked in my last post.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by azth »

0xFFC wrote: post #226
azth wrote: post #220

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> Maybe you don't know Islam as much as I do , but at the very end , it is only about sex I don't know what you were taught in Iran, but this is 100% false.

>I don't know what you were taught in Iran, but this is 100% false. I don't know what kind of Islam you taught, but holy book is exclusively about sex and relationship as well as 99% fatwa's. You are just stating something without even explaining it . so nice . I would claim it is 100% true. You can study holy book , it almost exclusively about sex and relationship between men and women with stories -unrelated to rel…

> but holy book is exclusively about sex and relationship as well as 99% fatwa's.

With all due respect, this sentence alone proves that you don't know what you're talking about. Sorry.

Fatwas are something completely different from the Quran.

> I would claim it is 100% true.

You can claim anything you want, but without proof, it is worthless.

> You can study holy book , it almost exclusively about sex and relationship between men and women with stories -unrelated to relation- between them.

The Quran does have passages about marriage, divorce, inheritance, and the like. But in no way do those constitute the majority of the Quran like you are saying.

It is sad how Iran is using religion to control the people. They picked parts of what they liked, fabricated some parts, and left out other parts. I had several Iranian colleagues when I was in school, and I could see how some of them were very displeased with the government. Please don't take it out on the religion.

Can I ask you if you were taught by the Iranian government to hate (or at least look down on) Arabs?

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by DominikR »

Cyph0n wrote: post #113
she_moves_on wrote: post #40

One frustrating thing that the author gets wrong is labelling Iran the "Gray Daesh." Iran has geopolitical conflict with the West, but it's a false equivalent of Saudi Arabia. Iran is a theocracy trying to control a population that growingly wants to be secular. Women in Iran go to university at higher rates than men, can drive, hold office, and vote. Life in Iran for a women is not perfect but is heaven compared to…

Ah yes, but you fail to mention Iran's extremely aggressive agenda in the region. The Ahwazi Arabs (Sunni, coincidentally) are stripped of nearly all basic human rights, enclosed in their own state essentially within Iran's borders [1]. Even the Shia in Saudi Arabia are treated better than how Iran handles the Ahwaz region. Further, Iran loves fighting wars by proxy for some reason. Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Gu…

> Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Guard are roaming around Syria like they own it.

So you would rather have ISIS expanding in Syria? That's what the Iranians are fighting there.

Furthermore they were invited by the legitimate and UN recognized Syrian government to help fighting the Sunni extremists.

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Post by 0xFFC »

azth wrote: post #246
0xFFC wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't know what you were taught in Iran, but this is 100% false. I don't know what kind of Islam you taught, but holy book is exclusively about sex and relationship as well as 99% fatwa's. You are just stating something without even explaining it . so nice . I would claim it is 100% true. You can study holy book , it almost exclusively about sex and relationship between men and women with stories -unrelated to rel…

> but holy book is exclusively about sex and relationship as well as 99% fatwa's. With all due respect, this sentence alone proves that you don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. Fatwas are something completely different from the Quran. > I would claim it is 100% true. You can claim anything you want, but without proof, it is worthless. > You can study holy book , it almost exclusively about sex and relationshi…

>Can I ask you if you were taught by the Iranian government to hate (or at least look down on) Arabs

Wtf? I taught by Iranian government to hate Arabs? Dude Iranian government is Arab.they dont give fuck about Iran.they spend money for Arab countries more than they do for our own country.they build their whole ideology on this.if any one had clue what is going on Iran , they would understand how much and how deep you are ignorant in term of Iranian government policy.

First of all I don't give fuck about race.then I don't care you are Arab or Jew or anything else.Human are humans, I don't believe in race.we are all some kind of advanced animal.

>With all due respect, this sentence alone proves that you don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. Fatwas are something completely different from the Quran.

Did you even read my comment? where did you get that? Fatwa and guran is the same thing? Are fucking kidding me.I compelled to study religon simultaneously with other thing in 12 years. I am not religious scholar , but I have read Quran , and some main text for hadith and sunnat. Have you read guran? I read it.two different translation.very approved and good translation to Persian.Khorasani and Ghomshei.

With respect I feel sorry for you.guran is not about sex? Dude the whole book is about sex and power.

>fabricated some parts

fabricated the religion? The whole religion is about lie and fabrication .

I respect you personally. But I don't give fuck about guran or your religious believe which is lie.

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Post by 0xFFC »

iofj wrote: post #244
Thriptic wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Academia fights against mullah's, science fights, liberal people fighting against mullah's more effective than any other person in whole revolution history...BUT THEY CANNOT FIGHT WITH INTERNET, WITH TOR, WITH STUDENTS who USE TOR. Give them internet , provide them satellite , Facebook/twitter/YouTube/porn , Show them fucking beautiful women in Texas(with respect to women, I just want show sexual incentives), show…

You need to explain why this is not working in Europe before going down this path. None of the terrorists in Europe were lacking in access to internet, porn, ... Any lf that. Yet they still kill. In fact if most of the isis fighters do co e from the west, that goes for most of them too. So imho this explanations doesn't work.

Because they taking revenge.my whole comment hinges on two base.first let middle East alone.( after that you are not going to encounter terrorist like those). And you can work peoples mind simultaneously to show them how stupid is their religion.

Let middle East alone.West has 50 year of stupid policy history in middle East.invasion a country, are you fucking kidding me.do you want bring democracy with that.yeap,of course invasion will generate Osama bin laden and like those.

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Post by raverbashing »

azth wrote: post #245
raverbashing wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always someone to say "X is prohibited" and people that do X and that profess to be allowed. Ah so is it wrong? Go tell them. Also look at Apostasy and how it's dealt with in the majority of Muslim majority countries

> There's always someone to say "X is prohibited" and people that do X and that profess to be allowed. We have proof that it is prohibited, and it is the onus of those claiming otherwise to demonstrate how it isn't. I don't known where you're saying that any Muslim professes that honor killings are allowed. > Ah so is it wrong? Go tell them. Many already are, as how I showed in the video I linked in my last post.

The video is interesting, however it keeps happening

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3251787/Muslim-fathe...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/29/canada-honor-killin...

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