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Pretty lulzy considering Adobe and Intel are both extremely mediocre, even in Silicon Valley.

In what way? Intel makes the best CPUs in the world and Adobe makes the best photo editing software in the world. How are they mediocre?

Apparently to be a non-mediocre company on HN the company has to have zero revenue but use the cutting-edge technology stack.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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The kids bust their asses, all day and late into the night, and it's still not good enough. They watch their peers get the top grades, top scores, and top admissions.

The parents bust their asses at startups, working late and weekends in their tiny rental, and it's not enough. They watch others their age and younger striking it rich with their acquisitions and IPOs.

(of course, both are doing just fine, and amazingly well compared to the rest of the world. But the toxic mentality remains)

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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The author only briefly touched on this, but the attempted suicide rate is alarmingly high in this school district. A lot of people here are making light, but something scary is happening there.

I'll try to find a reference....

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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I don't want my kids to grow up in the Bay Area, period. I'll probably move to Europe when I have them. Sure, that means some career sacrifice (and wages) but it doesn't matter, I don't want them to grow in such an environment.

I'd never raise kids here either.

I overheard two coworkers talking a few months ago - one parent saying that she didn't want to send her kids to PALY because she didn't think so much homework and stress was necessary - and referenced the suicide epidemic that's been occurring this year.

Another co-worker responded to her, 100% seriously, "Yea but if they survive, they'll probably get a great job"

It was sickening.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Reason #368 not to have kids. Seriously what state of mind compels people to bring new humans into the world and force them through this gauntlet? I remember being a teenager and the experience sounds even worse today. I think most unborn babies would just not consent to birth if they knew this was ahead of them.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Suggested solution: round up all grades above 95% to 100%. Re-practicing the same material 100 times because you only score perfectly on the practice tests 9 times out of 10 (meaning, 1 time out of 10 you get 98%) is an incredibly inefficient use of time. Let people get 95% in each of their classes and if they still want to overachieve, let them take an additional class. That's still HARD but at least it's not so wasteful.

Similarly, what about university admissions "capping" the number of extracurriculars etc. they consider? Okay, you've already got your 4.0, you're already in a sport, you already play violin. It's great that you also have three other activities, but we're just going to add until we get you to 100% and stop counting. Enough with the wars between 140% and 150% overachievement.

You get what you measure. If it requires a perfect SAT score to get into Harvard, then people are going to take hundreds of hours from their young life that could be better spent learning something else or having a slightly balanced life and instead spend it studying and re-studying the SAT. It also unreasonably biases entrance against students who needed to work a little bit rather than study 24/7.

At some point when you're measuring the top 1% the margin of error becomes greater than the precision of the measurement. The real problem, as has been discussed elsewhere, is that the brand name schools haven't grown to accommodate as large of a population (by percentage) as they did in the past, to the point that they reject thousands and thousands of students who would have been accepted eagerly 50 years ago. In school and in life there seem to be fewer and fewer positions near the top, that provide lifestyles that seemed attainable not that long ago, given hard work.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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I went to Homestead High School (and have friends that went to Gunn/Paly) and the experiences I've witnessed have been similar. One of my friends has parents that worked at Adobe. During his junior year, he was taking AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C E&M, AP Physics C Mechanics and AP Computer Science. He got straight A's both semesters, and got a 5 on all of the AP tests. I went over to his house during the summer and f…

On the other hand, the parents are outliers, and rose above their peers. Would you expect them to be happy if their children were mediocre? After all, what are genes for?

I call it the "impact wrench" theory of engineer motivation. Impact wenches are wrenches that turn when you hit them with a hammer - apply pressure and they spin. Hitting harder makes them spin a bit faster. The same with engineers, and 100+ hour founder work weeks are a great example.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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I find this deeply disturbing, particularly because there has never been a better time in recent history to NOT give a damn about how you perform in traditional school systems, if you are unlucky or ignorant enough to be imprisoned in one in the first place. Competitive anxiety is one thing when it compels people to achieve amazing things, and another entirely when it clouds judgment and makes people miserable and on…

Such a great comment!

"And it's an atrocity that staggeringly gifted young people can grow up thinking they're poorly endowed weirdos because, instead of memorizing their way through school, they struggle to actually understand things since their minds refuse to take “that's just how it works” for an answer, and they bother to "waste time" wondering, "What if...?"

This is exactly how I felt through school and did poorly because of it. I see these issues with my son too but he is excelling because I heavily encourage his curiosity and he has been lucky enough to have some great teachers that appreciate his obsessive need to have to know "why" or dig in deeper. I do worry though that he won't be so lucky as he moves into high school.

"It's really a sad thing that some kids with plenty of potential are misguided into thinking that a GPA is more important than knowledge, experience, curiosity, and comprehension."

This is so true. Something that recently really stood out to me was the lack of critical thinking or troubleshooting skills in kids. I discovered the lack of this in a summer workshop I was part of. Only about 10% of the kids (ages 8 to 12) had decent critical thinking or troubleshooting skills. The rest just wanted to be told what to do and how to do it. Why? Is it because we are so focused on getting kids to reach certain milestones that we are not teaching them or even encouraging critical thinking?

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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I went to Homestead High School (and have friends that went to Gunn/Paly) and the experiences I've witnessed have been similar. One of my friends has parents that worked at Adobe. During his junior year, he was taking AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C E&M, AP Physics C Mechanics and AP Computer Science. He got straight A's both semesters, and got a 5 on all of the AP tests. I went over to his house during the summer and f…

Couldn't agree more; having supportive parents makes all the difference. I'm a junior in a similar situation course-wise (AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C, and AP Comp Sci last year), but my parents have found the balance between being overly demanding and too permissive. With their encouragement, the stress rarely gets to me - unlike some of my friends whose parents have them spend their summers and vacations studying for the SAT.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Students are now asked to give up their present for a chance at a good future. So... an investment?

It's more than that, unless you consider investing your physical health part of the deal too. As a current mechanical engineering junior, the expectations have gotten really quite insane. In order to graduate on time you have to be taking 15-18 credits of the hardest classes offered at university. Right now I'm in an 18 credit semester, and next I will be taking 17 credits. Currently I'm in fluid mechanics, finite el…

> In order to graduate on time you have to be taking 15-18 credits of the hardest classes offered at university. Right now I'm in an 18 credit semester, and next I will be taking 17 credits

So what you're saying is you could drop 2-3 credits a semester, and still graduate on time?

> and I've also developed this weird problem where I profusely vomit several times a day.

I really hope you've seen a doctor about this.

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