To be honest, compared to Germany that is not a good news. In Germany, you can have this up to 36 months (3 years) for both parants and your employer can't send you a notice to quit. So, to be honest, I have to laugh at Zuck. Or say it another way: I think, he does not value his kids. I am a shamed of him.
What if you have four children, spaced out evenly over twelve years in Germany? Do you just not need to work for twelve years?
Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope the environment is such that people feel they can use it without penalty. Anyone have experience?
I took a little over three months off when my first child was born, and am in the process of taking the full four months for my second child. I know a half dozen people who have had children while working at Facebook and all of them have taken all (or almost all) of that time. I never felt pressure not to take leave. The hardest part was convincing myself that things would keep running without me.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#163The point is --- there was no real need to even mention this on an FB post! the CEO is also an employee and he could have done this more privately. I hate it when top CEOs try to prove that love "work-life" balance when in reality once you reach the top, its always easy to do the "right thing" in any circumstance. If she would have been pregnant when he just started FB, then would have taken more than 2 days off?
Nope. One, it is impossible for somebody of his prominence to take two months off work and not have it be noticed. And two, his point here isn't to take two months off. It's to signal to every one of his employees that it's ok.
One of my current boss's best habits is going home on time. And occasionally he'll go home early when he's worn down and unproductive, saying, "Man, I'm not getting anything useful done; I'm going to go home now." Not only is this a smart thing for anybody to do, but it's great in a boss because it gives everybody implicit permission to do the same when necessary.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ha ha! You probably should have been voted down, but OK, let's take a look at your idea. You are saying 1 out of 4 American workers shouldn't have kids[1]. If everybody followed your advice, a lot of pretty influential people wouldn't have been born: Steve Jobs, J.K. Rowling, Larry Ellison (OK maybe that works in your argument's favor). Jay Z. Abraham Lincoln. Barack Obama. I wouldn't be here, either; my dad was a sh…
Steve Jobs, the child of two Ivy League students? That would in no way qualify under "you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands".
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
...But how long will it take for paternal leave to trickle down to the largest employers in America who pay near or at minimum wage? 1) Wal-Mart Stores 2,200,000 2) Yum! Brands 523,000 3) McDonald's 440,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers_in_t... IMHO a billionaire taking a two-month leave will not inspire a majority of the top 50 employers to allow their male workforce to take 2-months off. Y…
This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#166The point is --- there was no real need to even mention this on an FB post! the CEO is also an employee and he could have done this more privately. I hate it when top CEOs try to prove that love "work-life" balance when in reality once you reach the top, its always easy to do the "right thing" in any circumstance. If she would have been pregnant when he just started FB, then would have taken more than 2 days off?
He could have, but doing this publicly sets an example. There are a lot of companies where employees are officially allowed to take leave but in practice face disdain from their coworkers if they do; having the CEO publicly take such a leave helps to provide social license to everybody else in the company.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've got a valid point that available resources should factor into the decision making process for having a child. That said, if that's the only measure then only the rich can afford to have children so clearly there has to be more to this. What if instead, a CEO is only allowed to take time off equal to or less than the average of every other employee.
> That said, if that's the only measure then only the rich can afford to have children You say this like it's a bad thing. If only rich people had children we could nearly eliminate human suffering within a generation.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope the environment is such that people feel they can use it without penalty. Anyone have experience?
I took a little over three months off when my first child was born, and am in the process of taking the full four months for my second child. I know a half dozen people who have had children while working at Facebook and all of them have taken all (or almost all) of that time. I never felt pressure not to take leave. The hardest part was convincing myself that things would keep running without me.
Like, could you, in theory, have a baby making rotation of 3 "girlfriends" with 4 months of paternal leave each per year for an eternal vacation?
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ha ha! You probably should have been voted down, but OK, let's take a look at your idea. You are saying 1 out of 4 American workers shouldn't have kids[1]. If everybody followed your advice, a lot of pretty influential people wouldn't have been born: Steve Jobs, J.K. Rowling, Larry Ellison (OK maybe that works in your argument's favor). Jay Z. Abraham Lincoln. Barack Obama. I wouldn't be here, either; my dad was a sh…
The logical extension of this argument is that everyone on earth should be forced to have as many children as possible all the time, because - gasp - think of all the wonderful human beings that we're missing out on. In fact, all those women of childbearing age you see walking around without a baby in their womb are guilty of a certain kind of murder . Strap them down and get to work!
>>If you want kids, the only reason you shouldn't have them is if you aren't up to the task of raising them -- for whatever reason.
As I read it, this submission is about paternity leave and associated Zuckerberg/Facebook, not whether people should have children.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ha ha! You probably should have been voted down, but OK, let's take a look at your idea. You are saying 1 out of 4 American workers shouldn't have kids[1]. If everybody followed your advice, a lot of pretty influential people wouldn't have been born: Steve Jobs, J.K. Rowling, Larry Ellison (OK maybe that works in your argument's favor). Jay Z. Abraham Lincoln. Barack Obama. I wouldn't be here, either; my dad was a sh…
Steve Jobs, the child of two Ivy League students? That would in no way qualify under "you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands".