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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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To be honest, compared to Germany that is not a good news. In Germany, you can have this up to 36 months (3 years) for both parants and your employer can't send you a notice to quit. So, to be honest, I have to laugh at Zuck. Or say it another way: I think, he does not value his kids. I am a shamed of him.

What if you have four children, spaced out evenly over twelve years in Germany? Do you just not need to work for twelve years?

Yes, and that's just one of the loopholes. It's a problem with the current crisis in Europe. They want a better life for free and are known to get many children.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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I hope the environment is such that people feel they can use it without penalty. Anyone have experience?

I took a little over three months off when my first child was born, and am in the process of taking the full four months for my second child. I know a half dozen people who have had children while working at Facebook and all of them have taken all (or almost all) of that time. I never felt pressure not to take leave. The hardest part was convincing myself that things would keep running without me.

wow that makes me want to apply at facebook

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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The point is --- there was no real need to even mention this on an FB post! the CEO is also an employee and he could have done this more privately. I hate it when top CEOs try to prove that love "work-life" balance when in reality once you reach the top, its always easy to do the "right thing" in any circumstance. If she would have been pregnant when he just started FB, then would have taken more than 2 days off?

> the CEO is also an employee and he could have done this more privately

Nope. One, it is impossible for somebody of his prominence to take two months off work and not have it be noticed. And two, his point here isn't to take two months off. It's to signal to every one of his employees that it's ok.

One of my current boss's best habits is going home on time. And occasionally he'll go home early when he's worn down and unproductive, saying, "Man, I'm not getting anything useful done; I'm going to go home now." Not only is this a smart thing for anybody to do, but it's great in a boss because it gives everybody implicit permission to do the same when necessary.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Ha ha! You probably should have been voted down, but OK, let's take a look at your idea. You are saying 1 out of 4 American workers shouldn't have kids[1]. If everybody followed your advice, a lot of pretty influential people wouldn't have been born: Steve Jobs, J.K. Rowling, Larry Ellison (OK maybe that works in your argument's favor). Jay Z. Abraham Lincoln. Barack Obama. I wouldn't be here, either; my dad was a sh…

Steve Jobs, the child of two Ivy League students? That would in no way qualify under "you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands".

Job's biological father came from a wealthy background. He and Job's mother met at University of Wisconsin (not from the US, but pretty sure that isn't Ivy League). The mother was working as a TA, so she wasn't wealthy.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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...But how long will it take for paternal leave to trickle down to the largest employers in America who pay near or at minimum wage? 1) Wal-Mart Stores 2,200,000 2) Yum! Brands 523,000 3) McDonald's 440,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers_in_t... IMHO a billionaire taking a two-month leave will not inspire a majority of the top 50 employers to allow their male workforce to take 2-months off. Y…

This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.

I would argue the opposite: maybe...just maybe...fast food jobs should still pay a living wage.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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The point is --- there was no real need to even mention this on an FB post! the CEO is also an employee and he could have done this more privately. I hate it when top CEOs try to prove that love "work-life" balance when in reality once you reach the top, its always easy to do the "right thing" in any circumstance. If she would have been pregnant when he just started FB, then would have taken more than 2 days off?

The point is --- there was no real need to even mention this on an FB post! the CEO is also an employee and he could have done this more privately.

He could have, but doing this publicly sets an example. There are a lot of companies where employees are officially allowed to take leave but in practice face disdain from their coworkers if they do; having the CEO publicly take such a leave helps to provide social license to everybody else in the company.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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You've got a valid point that available resources should factor into the decision making process for having a child. That said, if that's the only measure then only the rich can afford to have children so clearly there has to be more to this. What if instead, a CEO is only allowed to take time off equal to or less than the average of every other employee.

> That said, if that's the only measure then only the rich can afford to have children You say this like it's a bad thing. If only rich people had children we could nearly eliminate human suffering within a generation.

Well, sure. At the cost of effectively exterminating people who weren't privileged enough to afford to continue their bloodline.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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I hope the environment is such that people feel they can use it without penalty. Anyone have experience?

I took a little over three months off when my first child was born, and am in the process of taking the full four months for my second child. I know a half dozen people who have had children while working at Facebook and all of them have taken all (or almost all) of that time. I never felt pressure not to take leave. The hardest part was convincing myself that things would keep running without me.

Do you have to be married? Is it for anyone whose partner has had a child or only for your own child?

Like, could you, in theory, have a baby making rotation of 3 "girlfriends" with 4 months of paternal leave each per year for an eternal vacation?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Ha ha! You probably should have been voted down, but OK, let's take a look at your idea. You are saying 1 out of 4 American workers shouldn't have kids[1]. If everybody followed your advice, a lot of pretty influential people wouldn't have been born: Steve Jobs, J.K. Rowling, Larry Ellison (OK maybe that works in your argument's favor). Jay Z. Abraham Lincoln. Barack Obama. I wouldn't be here, either; my dad was a sh…

The logical extension of this argument is that everyone on earth should be forced to have as many children as possible all the time, because - gasp - think of all the wonderful human beings that we're missing out on. In fact, all those women of childbearing age you see walking around without a baby in their womb are guilty of a certain kind of murder . Strap them down and get to work!

The parent's comment said something explicitly different. There's a very clear line:

>>If you want kids, the only reason you shouldn't have them is if you aren't up to the task of raising them -- for whatever reason.

As I read it, this submission is about paternity leave and associated Zuckerberg/Facebook, not whether people should have children.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha ha! You probably should have been voted down, but OK, let's take a look at your idea. You are saying 1 out of 4 American workers shouldn't have kids[1]. If everybody followed your advice, a lot of pretty influential people wouldn't have been born: Steve Jobs, J.K. Rowling, Larry Ellison (OK maybe that works in your argument's favor). Jay Z. Abraham Lincoln. Barack Obama. I wouldn't be here, either; my dad was a sh…

Steve Jobs, the child of two Ivy League students? That would in no way qualify under "you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands".

Jobs's birth parents were 23-year-old grad students at the University of Wisconsin, not a population known for being rolling in dough. They decided they were too young to marry and have kids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Parents

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