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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Netflix is the exception, not the rule. Take a poll of what "unlimited vacation" means to most companies with the policy, and you'll see 2-3 weeks being the overwhelming response.

I tried to google my way through verifying your statement, but didn't get very far. The number of companies offering "unlimited" or "discretionary" leave is very small. LinkedIn is the only other company I could find that I'd even heard of. I could find no statistics length of vacation for any of the companies I found. Kickstarter removed it's "unlimited vacation" policy because it found that employees were not takin…

California requires employers to cash out unused vacation days to employees when they leave the company [0]. Therefore instead of giving a certain number of days, some sketchy companies have an "unlimited vacation" policy, so they can claim to offer great benefits, when they're really just trying to save money. The norm at these sketchy companies is definitely no more than 2-3 weeks vacation in practice.

[0] http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_vacation.htm

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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...But how long will it take for paternal leave to trickle down to the largest employers in America who pay near or at minimum wage? 1) Wal-Mart Stores 2,200,000 2) Yum! Brands 523,000 3) McDonald's 440,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers_in_t... IMHO a billionaire taking a two-month leave will not inspire a majority of the top 50 employers to allow their male workforce to take 2-months off. Y…

This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.

Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but are you saying having children and a family is a privilege that should be exclusive to wealthy people?

EDIT: I think I have a different opinion on this. I say if a human being in a wealthy nation like USA is only capable of a job that pays minimum wage, this is a problem with the system, and not with the individual. If we just discounted all people for where they have ended up, we will never be curious enough to explore how they got there and how to prevent it in the future.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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post #49

This is great. It sends the message that no matter who you are, prioritizing family over business is an option, especially when a newborn has arrived. I'm also willing to bet that it's good for business. An employee with better relationships at home is more likely to be productive at work in the long term.

I had a sorta different reaction. I thought, it'd be amazing if everyone at Facebook had the option to take two months off for paternity leave and prioritize family over business without worrying about losing their job or good favor with their supervisor.

Ahaha. Considering Facebook is rated #1 place to work I am sure it's just fine. Rather, it'd be amazing if you could do this at any workplace.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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I hope the environment is such that people feel they can use it without penalty. Anyone have experience?

I think this is exacty why it's great he is doing this. He is showing his employees it is ok to prioritize family over work.

If he really wanted to show that, wouldn't he have taken 4 months off? :)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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post #49

This is great. It sends the message that no matter who you are, prioritizing family over business is an option, especially when a newborn has arrived. I'm also willing to bet that it's good for business. An employee with better relationships at home is more likely to be productive at work in the long term.

I had a sorta different reaction. I thought, it'd be amazing if everyone at Facebook had the option to take two months off for paternity leave and prioritize family over business without worrying about losing their job or good favor with their supervisor.

I had a different one: Two months? If that guy hasn't built his business up to the point where he can take a sabbatical and do right by his family, then there's no hope for the rest of us.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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I am jealous. My mega-large, hyphenated corporation only gives 40 hours. Which I have just had approved (today!) so that I could help care for my newborn son while my wife recovers from caesarian section. Doing this required multiple calls to a third party company that hypenated-corporation has subcontracted their leave and disability claims to, as well as about 30 pages worth of paperwork. I spent about half as much…

Yeah, well fuck 7-Eleven.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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post #51
post #48

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Zuck could take the rest of his life off work. And when he's an old man he will wish that he had. But in the mean time the share holders can benefit from his keen.

Can you point me to any historical titans of industry who regret their life's work?

Didn't you ever watch the end of "There Will Be Blood"?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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...But how long will it take for paternal leave to trickle down to the largest employers in America who pay near or at minimum wage? 1) Wal-Mart Stores 2,200,000 2) Yum! Brands 523,000 3) McDonald's 440,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers_in_t... IMHO a billionaire taking a two-month leave will not inspire a majority of the top 50 employers to allow their male workforce to take 2-months off. Y…

This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.

Well.. such thinking can be generalized to simply saying: "You shouldn't be LIVING, if you are poor. Shoot yourself now because you cannot afford life and you are wasting resources of the rich on this planet with your sorry, poverty-stricken soul"
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