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Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by pravda » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 1:36 AM UTC

nickff wrote: post #116

0xFFC wrote: post #64

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As Iranian (I am commenting from Tehran) I completely approve your point of view.I even explained in long comment in this post(you can find it in bottom).Iranian regime nightmare is liberal people( because they are the most effective opposition to current regime, all of other opposition's dismantled by regime very easily they don't even exist in society). you know why? Because they are only threat to nature of this u…

From the perspective of a Western government, Iran's international relations are the problem.[1] The fact that Iran's society is relatively advanced does little to console the families of the 1100 American soldiers killed by Iranian proxies in Iraq; nor does it console the families of the hundreds (if not thousands) of Israeli civilians killed by (Iranian government supported) Hamas. State support for the Assad regim…

>1100 American soldiers killed by Iranian proxies in Iraq

And how 'bout all the Iranian soldiers killed by our friend and alley, Saddam Hussein, during the Iran-Iraq war? We didn't even get upset at Saddam for the USS Stark incident!

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by Elizer0x0309 » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 1:56 AM UTC

user_0001 wrote: post #83

vinceguidry wrote: post #19

I have to say, the quality of mainstream media coverage of the Middle East has gone up remarkably since 9-11. I think perhaps in the next fifty years or so we'll finally figure out how to handle the problems of the region with grace and magnanimity rather than hatred and endless warfare.

1) stop interfering 2) goto 1 Pretty much covers it I reckon

Stop arming groups and practice diplomacy.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by conceit » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 2:02 AM UTC

jalammar wrote: post #199

As a Saudi HNer who has spent his life between Saudi and the US, I hope I can point out a few things here. I understand the point the author is trying to make. It does, however, come off to me as unnecessarily hostile and overreaching. - Saudi Arabia has 18 million nationals. The vast majority of which are sunni salafis (the nomenclature preferred to "Wahhabism"). If Wahhabism was driving motivation for ISIS, then IS…

> regarded by almost everbody in Saudi as an extreme perversion

that's just saying that they are aware of the implications, hence those in agreement might know to be quiet and.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by conceit » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 2:06 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #198

happyscrappy wrote: post #22

You can handle female genital mutilation with grace and magnanimity?

We warned you that we would ban your account if you didn't stop doing this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178800 ), and you haven't, so we've banned your account. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10603582 and marked it off-topic.

Why is whoever that was getting an announcement and i got hellbanned? Kinda serious question, because the comment in question was deleted

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by hackuser » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 2:14 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #174

hackuser wrote: post #159

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> I think the US/Iran resentment goes back a bit further, roughly to the time that Iran took a whole pile of US hostages that were held for more than a year. But that didn't happen in a vacuum either. The U.S. engineered or facilitated the overthrow of a mostly democratic Iranian leader in 1953, and put in his place a mini-dynasty of dictators who brutally oppresssed Iranians, with U.S. support, until that day in 197…

I said 'US/Iran' resentment. The 'Iran/US' resentment dates back even further, and if you trace it all to its roots you end somewhere in the 1700's or so, but then it was still (mostly) the UK and not the US.

> I said 'US/Iran' resentment

If you mean "US/Iran resentment" means "US resentment of Iran but not Iranian resentment of the US", I now understand what you intended. Unfortunately, your syntax is undocumented and not defined in the language standard. :)

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by dennisgorelik » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 2:26 AM UTC

> rape of Iraq

That is an interesting metaphor.

So ISIS is an illegitimate child of George W Bush then.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by jqm » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 2:57 AM UTC

mkaziz wrote: post #162

jqm wrote: post #101

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That is only partially true. A casual Google check shows there is a religious basis for FGM. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female...

That's an incredibly biased source; I wouldn't quote it in a reasonable discussion.

I don't know. The quotes are referenced. It's irrelevant anyway as there are no shortage of religious references to the practice.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by dang » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 3:45 AM UTC

conceit wrote: post #234

dang wrote: post #198

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We warned you that we would ban your account if you didn't stop doing this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178800 ), and you haven't, so we've banned your account. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10603582 and marked it off-topic.

Why is whoever that was getting an announcement and i got hellbanned? Kinda serious question, because the comment in question was deleted

I don't know what you're referring to. If you want to supply the context, we're happy to answer, but it would be better to send this to hn@ycombinator.com.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by P0nder » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 3:50 AM UTC

chad_strategic wrote: post #171

chad_strategic wrote: post #77

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---> Saudi Arabia is a dysfunctional country propped up by oil money. I can't wait, the world can't wait any longer to end our dependence on fossil fuels. The world / middle east will be a better place if we reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. May the force be with Elon Musk / Telsa ;)

Somebody from the oil industry complex just down voted me.

Elon Musk downvoted you for spelling Tesla as Telsa.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by jasonm23 » Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 4:26 AM UTC

calbear81 wrote: post #214

pearjuice wrote: post #80

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The thing is that most people condemn the "spraying random Frenchmen with machine guns", but applaud when the day after France carpet bombs Raqqa, a Syrian city with a population of over 200000 with the civilians being trapped in the oppression of ISIS. Apparently, then the death of dozens of innocent civilians which had no choice other than getting trapped between bombs falling from the sky or ISIS militants control…

From what I read, it seemed like the French were not given the option to carpet bomb Raqqa but instead got to fulfill a long list of kill orders on strategic targets instead of the usual method of doling them out to different allies to take care of.

Well, thanks to the extensive coverage (/s) we all know how it went down.