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Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Not even a little bit. I flagged the article, as did many others.

I deeply regret posting this article. Somehow I thought it was interesting and in tune with many other articles we've discussed this week but seeing what happened here, oh my... I'm really sorry, won't happen again.

If you're not one of the people who makes it their mission to post political stories to the front page --- and those people definitely exist --- then never apologize for submitting things. It's the disproportionate upvotes that are the problem.

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Saudi Arabia is also the biggest exporter of Radical Islam " Indian intelligence says that in India alone, from 2011 to 2013, some 25,000 Saudi clerics arrived bearing more than $250 million to build mosques and universities and hold seminars. "We are talking about thousands and thousands of activist organizations and preachers who are in the Saudi sphere of influence," said Usama Hasan, a researcher in Islamic studi…

With polygamy being legal, they take underage Muslim girls from cities like Hyderabad on their return journey to Middle East after "buying" them from their parents.

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Saudi Arabia is also the biggest exporter of Radical Islam " Indian intelligence says that in India alone, from 2011 to 2013, some 25,000 Saudi clerics arrived bearing more than $250 million to build mosques and universities and hold seminars. "We are talking about thousands and thousands of activist organizations and preachers who are in the Saudi sphere of influence," said Usama Hasan, a researcher in Islamic studi…

With polygamy being legal, they take underage Muslim girls from cities like Hyderabad on their return journey to Middle East after "buying" them from their parents.

Unbelievable. I didn't think this was true, but you are right. There are 100s of stories of how Women in Hyderabad are being sold to Arab Sheiks. Very disturbing. Found a news item of a Gang busted too => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0eNGDcBoGM

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post #188

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I deeply regret posting this article. Somehow I thought it was interesting and in tune with many other articles we've discussed this week but seeing what happened here, oh my... I'm really sorry, won't happen again.

If you're not one of the people who makes it their mission to post political stories to the front page --- and those people definitely exist --- then never apologize for submitting things. It's the disproportionate upvotes that are the problem.

I never post or comment in political stories, only tech, saas and related stuff. Paris is my second home I guess I got carried out and ended up posting this story, oh well.

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Well, porn usually doesn't help much. How about proper education and teaching people to respect women and minorities?

We all get free or almost free or cheap, decent education in Iran, how about you? how much university debt do you have?

Well I went to a paid university in Iran, the quality of education wasn't good either. Almost 1% of people get that "free" education you're talking about.

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Well, porn usually doesn't help much. How about proper education and teaching people to respect women and minorities?

Of course , I am using porn as notion, because it is such red line in Iran's(or broadly in Islamic) culture. It is the most - and first - effective attack to the stupid Islamic culture.Of course science is the best alternative. I just want show people the hardware -military,sanction, etc- is not answer . the best answer is software -culture,education,etc-.

Western countries are not interested in investing in Middle Eastern countries to achieve long term goals.

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> the government in power currently in Iran deposed the government that the US set up The U.S. did not 'set up' the Shah; he was the legitimate ruler of Persia. Nor did the U.S. overthrow a 'democratically-elected leader'; the Shah's legitimate government successfully defeated a coup attempt by his prime minister Mossadegh, who died peacefully under house arrest years later.

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Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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You can handle female genital mutilation with grace and magnanimity?

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As a Saudi HNer who has spent his life between Saudi and the US, I hope I can point out a few things here. I understand the point the author is trying to make. It does, however, come off to me as unnecessarily hostile and overreaching.

- Saudi Arabia has 18 million nationals. The vast majority of which are sunni salafis (the nomenclature preferred to "Wahhabism"). If Wahhabism was driving motivation for ISIS, then ISIS would have been at least 1000 times the size it is now. Which is clearly not the case.

- While ISIS has similar sounding rhetoric to some hardcore Saudi hardliners, it is almost uniformly reviled and regarded by almost everbody in Saudi as an extreme perversion. And not only since they blew up a number of mosques in the country (or since releasing that video of a Saudi ISIS member executing his own cousin who lay begging for mercy in the begining of that fateful video). But their gruesomeness is as repulsive to Saudis as it is to everbody else in the world. And they are seen as one of the biggest obstacles to the ouster of Bashar Al Assad in Syria (who is responsible for a civil war that has killed more than 200,000 people, mostly Sunni).

- The article makes little effort to distinguish between the Saudi people and the Saudi government. It demonizes the saudi populace even though it is at times the first victim of some of the unsavory consequences of the alliance between the monarchy and the "clergy" (a rather inaccurate term since there is no real hierarchy. The closest thing there is a counsel of elder scholars and those are usually selected for being unwaveringly loyal to the government). There is a subtlty to the dynamic of the populace, monarchy, and clergy that few in the west try to understand. I can expand on this later.

- None of this is to deny the existence of an activist, xenophobic, hateful, Quran-thumping segment that is a loud ultra-minority from which Alqaeda and ISIS try to recruit (with Saudi being one of the first places they often like to target). The government have clamped down HARD on the vast majority of this segment ever since the string of terrorist bombings in Riyadh in the early 2000s.

- Like I try to explain Saudi here, I often try to explain the US to people in Saudi. If there's anything you'd like me to clarify about Saudi, AMA.

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As a Saudi HNer who has spent his life between Saudi and the US, I hope I can point out a few things here. I understand the point the author is trying to make. It does, however, come off to me as unnecessarily hostile and overreaching. - Saudi Arabia has 18 million nationals. The vast majority of which are sunni salafis (the nomenclature preferred to "Wahhabism"). If Wahhabism was driving motivation for ISIS, then IS…

Care to speculate on why Saudi Arabia itself isn't accepting Syrian refugees?
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