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Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

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Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That's their angle: use the panopticon to get blackmail material on 100% of people, then anyone who is inconvenient or needs to be controlled can be dealt with painlessly. Right, France is a totalitarian government, no proof necessary. You cannot fight nonsense with nonsense.

I didn't say that they were totalitarian, merely that they had taken a step in that direction. Powers are abused, 100% of the time, even if you don't find out. Steps against free society add up.

>to get blackmail material on 100% of people

Nonsense.

Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

#23
post #4

This kind of thing doesn't matter. Encryption simply can't be stopped by governments.

> Encryption simply can't be stopped by governments.

They can try, and they can make your life hell for using it. It won't work, of course, but that has never stopped frightened people or those with an agenda.

This is why it is incredibly important that we not only use encryption pervasively, but that we also educate[1] the general public about encryption. Unless encryption is normalized into the popular culture, it will always be possible to harass "those troublemakers" that use encryption and the general public won't care. This crap will end only after people understand that "banning encryption" is as stupid as "banning envelopes/locks".

> This kind of thing doesn't matter.

Encryption doesn't protect you from traffic analysis. It is important to remember that so-called metadata is often more revealing[2] than the content, especially when you 0wn3d the backbone and can map[3] who everybody you talk to.

[1] specifically, we need to educate people to a similar level that people understand physical locks: "what is does" and "when/how it should be used" are key; the details can be left to professionals (i.e. like locksmiths).

[2] http://labs.rs/en/metadata/

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/world/how-the-nsa...

Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that they were totalitarian, merely that they had taken a step in that direction. Powers are abused, 100% of the time, even if you don't find out. Steps against free society add up.

>to get blackmail material on 100% of people Nonsense.

Why? If laws are so complex that at any given time anyone is breaking at least one, then a surveillance dragnet gives you cause to indict anyone at any time.

Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

#25
post #12

Does this EFF post say anything new, or is it voted to the top of the site because (a) anti-surveillance and (b) EFF? I find EFF to be a deeply cynical organization, even though I for the most part share their policy objectives.

Can you give examples of why you think the EFF is cynical? As a frequent donor, I would like another perspective.

While I am not the OP (and support all of their agenda) - any organization that is payed to hold certain position becomes cynical because it is literally their job to spin any event into something that fits their agenda. It is the nature of the beast.

Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

#26
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that they were totalitarian, merely that they had taken a step in that direction. Powers are abused, 100% of the time, even if you don't find out. Steps against free society add up.

>to get blackmail material on 100% of people Nonsense.

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Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that they were totalitarian, merely that they had taken a step in that direction. Powers are abused, 100% of the time, even if you don't find out. Steps against free society add up.

>to get blackmail material on 100% of people Nonsense.

Hardly.

Thanks to a spectacularly complex legal system, we all break plenty of laws each day. If our every action is recorded, then so are those currently inconsequential violations of law, giving whoever controls the panopticon the ability to pick and choose who to prosecute with near impunity.

Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

#28
post #2

Just a reminder, there is no evidence that the Paris attackers used any kind of encryption. After Endless Demonization Of Encryption, Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinated Via Unencrypted SMS: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151118/08474732854/after...

> Just a reminder, there is no evidence that the Paris attackers used any kind of encryption.

They actually had unencrypted text messages on their phones and used cars. Why don't we ban unencrypted text message applications and cars?

Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern

#29
post #12

Does this EFF post say anything new, or is it voted to the top of the site because (a) anti-surveillance and (b) EFF? I find EFF to be a deeply cynical organization, even though I for the most part share their policy objectives.

What I find cynical is the exploitation of tragedies by demagogue politicians and intelligence personnel in vying to curtail a few more of our civil liberties.

On the contrary, I find the EFF one of the few groups of optimists.

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