Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
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Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
#2Just a reminder, there is no evidence that the Paris attackers used any kind of encryption.
After Endless Demonization Of Encryption, Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinated Via Unencrypted SMS: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151118/08474732854/after...
Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
#3Most things around my life in the last 15 years fit familiar, cynical pattern that politicians spit in our face and get away with it. That leads to desperation and learned helplessness.
To give EFF a credit, they actually fight. Unfortunately, quixotically
Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
#4This kind of thing doesn't matter. Encryption simply can't be stopped by governments.
Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
#5Just a reminder, there is no evidence that the Paris attackers used any kind of encryption. After Endless Demonization Of Encryption, Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinated Via Unencrypted SMS: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151118/08474732854/after...
And throwing a cellphone into the trash can. You don't need to be Sherlock to trace those calls.
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#6Why should we listen? France already massively ramped up their surveillance state after the Hebdo attacks (the perps were known to them beforehand anyway), and that did absolutely nothing to stop a much larger and more complex attack, also with known perps. A panopticon can't stop terrorists from lashing out violently, but it can certainly chill speech and promote totalitarian government.
That's their angle: use the panopticon to get blackmail material on 100% of people, then anyone who is inconvenient or needs to be controlled can be dealt with painlessly.
I can't understand how people can still give governments the benefit of the doubt when they've been exposed as liars repeatedly for years.
Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
#7Just a reminder, there is no evidence that the Paris attackers used any kind of encryption. After Endless Demonization Of Encryption, Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinated Via Unencrypted SMS: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151118/08474732854/after...
And throwing a cellphone into the trash can. You don't need to be Sherlock to trace those calls.
Didn't even need to trace the call... a good investigation would check the trash cans, dumpsters, and storm drains in a 20 block radius after a large scale bombing or attack.
Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
#8Why should we listen? France already massively ramped up their surveillance state after the Hebdo attacks (the perps were known to them beforehand anyway), and that did absolutely nothing to stop a much larger and more complex attack, also with known perps. A panopticon can't stop terrorists from lashing out violently, but it can certainly chill speech and promote totalitarian government. That's their angle: use the…
>That's their angle: use the panopticon to get blackmail material on 100% of people, then anyone who is inconvenient or needs to be controlled can be dealt with painlessly.
Right, France is a totalitarian government, no proof necessary. You cannot fight nonsense with nonsense.
Re: Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynical Pattern
#9Why should we listen? France already massively ramped up their surveillance state after the Hebdo attacks (the perps were known to them beforehand anyway), and that did absolutely nothing to stop a much larger and more complex attack, also with known perps. A panopticon can't stop terrorists from lashing out violently, but it can certainly chill speech and promote totalitarian government. That's their angle: use the…
>That's their angle: use the panopticon to get blackmail material on 100% of people, then anyone who is inconvenient or needs to be controlled can be dealt with painlessly. Right, France is a totalitarian government, no proof necessary. You cannot fight nonsense with nonsense.
I didn't say that they were totalitarian, merely that they had taken a step in that direction. Powers are abused, 100% of the time, even if you don't find out. Steps against free society add up.
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#10This kind of thing doesn't matter. Encryption simply can't be stopped by governments.
I think these lies absolutely matter. It's a war of propaganda that can lead to real legislation. I think the "PATRIOT Act" (and the "USA Freedom Act", for that matter) show that the surveillance state has a way of turning its will into law.
To borrow a cliche, if encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption.
I don't think encryption can be outlawed, but it can be hamstrung by weakened implementations and requirements to decrypt for "lawful requests".