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Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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These ads are one of the main reasons I became a cord cutter. I'm very happy they have not yet followed me onto any of the streaming services I use. They are the creepiest thing ever on television. The actors sit around dinner tables with family members speaking unnatural, FDA manipulated dialog ("Oh, I'm doing great, I've been taking Pradaxa for my afib, not caused by a heart valve problem!") Then you get the unendi…

I am new here in US, and I was shocked to see ads for sleeping pills on kids channels (Cartoon Network, iirc). Unbelievable.

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One I see in the field as a paramedic? "Any drug allergies?" "Aspirin, Tylenol, Tramadol, etc" "Oh, so you're allergic to 'all' non-narcotic pain medication? That must be ... inconvenient."

I was taken in an ambulance to the hospital once for a dislocated limb. I never understood why the paramedics seemed to find new satisfaction in life when I rejected the narcotic painkiller. Must have come as a pleasant surprise.

I was hospitalized for a bit a few years back. Several nurses commented passionately on what a relief it was to take care of someone who actually needed help, instead of the many people they have who come in complaining of pain just so they can get their morphine fix.

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Great news, so pharma companies could focus more on drugs itself and less on marketing. It's huge money waste with mysterious intention - if your drug is the best, doctors should use it anyway, and if it's bad but you can increase its usage with huge marketing campaign, then mankind just gets screwed for own money.

> if your drug is the best, doctors should use it anyway, and if it's bad but you can increase its usage with huge marketing campaign, then mankind just gets screwed for own money. That's 100% true for everything - just replace "drug" with "product". As soon as an advertisement is leaving the point of informing about product's existence and features, it's starting to trick people into chosing a suboptimal option.

If people acted like homo economicus, that would be true. But people are so irrational, that sometimes they need to be convinced to do the right thing for the wrong reason, no?

In other words, a given advertisement might be tricking people into choosing the optimal option.

Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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post #93

These ads are one of the main reasons I became a cord cutter. I'm very happy they have not yet followed me onto any of the streaming services I use. They are the creepiest thing ever on television. The actors sit around dinner tables with family members speaking unnatural, FDA manipulated dialog ("Oh, I'm doing great, I've been taking Pradaxa for my afib, not caused by a heart valve problem!") Then you get the unendi…

There was an incredibly smart and hilarious ad created by those at Adult Swim completely in line with what you're saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gMjJNGg9Z8

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You could say similar things about political ads. They're mind-games. Do we want to get rid of them too?

ABSOLUTELY YES. That we, as a society, allow people deceive us and to lie in our faces, and not only that - we've turned it into an respected occupation - still boggles my mind.

In order to ban lies, you need to entrust power in someone else to discern the lies from truth. But that someone else lies too.

It is simply intractable. Like the halting problem.

Re: Doctors want ban on prescription drug, device advertisements

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> This has positives, as consumers can be more active participants in their health, but can also lead to people shopping for doctors who will prescribe the drugs that they want based on flimsy research and marketing. Turns out, people suck at being intelligent healthcare consumers. Its not their fault though. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/upshot/why-consumers-often... http://www.nber.org/papers/w21160 Disclaimer:…

Have you ever lived in a country with single-payer healthcare? Let me tell you it's not all roses. - Months long waits for anything requiring a specialist unless you're literally about to die. - Arbitrary exclusions like dental and optical. - Doctors taking in ~50% of the entire provincial budget and whining that it's not enough. And at a typical tech worker salary this all this ends up being more expensive in additi…

yeah I live in the usa and it took me over 3 months to see a specialist, i don't see how this is some inherent flaw of single payer

also people have an invisible waiting period in the form of not having the money to get things fixed so they put it off until it gets worse :^)

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There is one I see advertised regularly, one of the side effects is "suicidal thoughts, or actions", can you believe that, OR ACTIONS. It's one thing when a pill causes my body to fail and I die, it's quite another to have a pill put me in a state of mind where I kill myself. Also I have seen recently the words, "these are not all the side effects, see our website for a complete list". It's unbelievable what it has c…

> It's unbelievable what it has come to.

I don't understand your sentiment. Do you think that the drugs you take before do not have this many side effects, including suicidal thoughts or actions? Or do you find it unbelievable these side effects are now required to be spelt out in front of you?

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> if your drug is the best, doctors should use it anyway, and if it's bad but you can increase its usage with huge marketing campaign, then mankind just gets screwed for own money. That's 100% true for everything - just replace "drug" with "product". As soon as an advertisement is leaving the point of informing about product's existence and features, it's starting to trick people into chosing a suboptimal option.

If people acted like homo economicus, that would be true. But people are so irrational, that sometimes they need to be convinced to do the right thing for the wrong reason, no? In other words, a given advertisement might be tricking people into choosing the optimal option.

> In other words, a given advertisement might be tricking people into choosing the optimal option.

It could be so, in principle, but do you trust people who profit off not having your best interest in mind to do that?

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Trucks? Last I researched this the Ford F150 and Dodge Ram -- popular, mainstream pickup trucks -- were by a large margin statistically among the least safe vehicles allowed on roads in America, compared across everything, not just in-class.

Doesn't really matter to my argument, but for fun: In general, heavier vehicles are vastly safer. If you raise the center-of-gravity off the ground a lot, and don't increase the weight much, it's probably possible to increase the roll-over risk enough to make you worse off. But if you look at the data, you see that the deadliest vehicles are mostly compacts, and the safest ones are mostly SUVs. http://www.thecarconne…

Apparently I'm out of date -- SUVs and Pickups stopped dominating the death rates in the mid-2000s.

Still, the fourfold decrease in fatality rates across the ten model-years the IIHS publishes (coinciding with a substantial increase in the share of vehicle-years for 'mini' sized vehicles) completely discredits the "balance of mass" theory of car fatalities.

The stats that article links say that the 2011 mini cooper has driver fatality numbers that would have made it among the safest cars on the road in 2002. Eyeball regression says newer and pricier can explain essentially all of the safety differences, and vehicle size is at best a distant third.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/driver-death-rates

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