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Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by ploxiln » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:40 PM UTC

kup0 wrote: post #173

I wasn't sure what to expect from VSC, especially going into it I was worried that it would just be a MS-branded, bloated version of an already-slow Atom. My expectations were completely wrong, though. VSC is not bloated or slow. It's well-made. There aren't really any negative MS-flavored conventions as far as I can tell. This isn't MS Office (which I guess has its place but has gone off the deep end, IMHO). It look…

Only losing market share and power has made Microsoft produce software with reasonable quality, flexibility, and interoperability.

A lot of the credit for that goes to Apple's crazy climb in popularity. But at least some of it also goes to technologists involved in networking, the internet, and the web, many of whom decided never to deal with any Microsoft stuff ever again. If you knew the frustration of Microsoft's combination of lock-in and incompetence, back in 1995 - 2006 (my entire computing life at the time!) you wouldn't blame them.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by chris_wot » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:55 PM UTC

Kliment wrote: post #54

laumars wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amusing counter argument, but the pendant in me wants to point out that the DOS-name was inherited from the SCP product MS bought[1] rather than a naming convention MS created [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS

I wouldn't comment on any other word, but it's "pedant". :)

No, he literally swallowed a pendant and it's doing odd things to his self-control.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by mrec » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:55 PM UTC

Slightly bizarre that the requirements[1] imply that it supports OS X and Linux but not Windows 7. I understand that they're under the cosh to get people to upgrade, but still.

[1] https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs/supporting/requirements

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by pbz » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

Scuds wrote: post #201

mahyarm wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bloat and jankyness seems to be a function of project age. This is a relatively greenfield project, so it's pretty nice for now. MS Office is ancient as far as software projects go. The only things that are older at this point is UNIX, Oracle bank/govt mainframes.

By going to VS Code they're jettisoning themselves from the .sln (solution file), .csproj (C# project file), MS Build world. Project management and build files are being pushed into external utilities. This is kind of the way a lot of the rest the world (ruby/node/python) is going. IDEs are fine, but when you remove the need for an integrated debugger in favor of TDD the need for an IDE diminishes.

But VS Code does have integrated debugging...

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by skrebbel » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:58 PM UTC

smortaz wrote: post #142

We've been asked this by a few people, so I figured this is a good place to respond: Will PTVS (Python Tools for Visual Studio) come to VSCode? The answer is YES! This will be a major focus next year. Expect full intellisense, debugging, profiling, pkg mgmt, unit test, virtual env, multiple interpreter, Jupyter, etc. support. Disc: Python/R/Jupyter team lead https://www.visualstudio.com/features/python-vs

A question: If I'm not mistaken, PTVS is basically a whole bunch of Visual Studio plugins, presumably not written in JavaScript. Since VS Code is a while different program made in a different language and a different UI framework, does this simply mean there will be a new bunch of py/r/jupy plugins for VS Code, accidentally made by the same team?

Or does VS Code have more VS-compatible integration options than I knew of, which you're going to use to port PTVS over?

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:59 PM UTC

stoolpigeon wrote: post #13

I really hate how MS names things. Microsoft SQL Server, or as most people call it SQL Server. I read the title to this post as Visual Studio code is now open-source - but it's not. The product some genius called Visual Studio Code has been opened. I'm really surprised Windows isn't called Microsoft Operating System, or Operating System for short.

> I really hate how MS names things. Microsoft SQL Server, or as most people call it SQL Server.

Or, worse, just "SQL", resulting in people in some enterprise environments saying things like "Are you using Oracle or SQL?"

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by ogezi » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:59 PM UTC

VS code is more or less just a 'pretty' text editor.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by antod » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 8:01 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #210

krisdol wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian shares all of my web or visits and searches with... whom, exactly? And I have to disable this on every update? Really?

I thought it was just what packages you installed though, not sure about web visits, that sounds more like Ubuntu itself maybe?

Debians popcon (Popularity Contest) which tracked package installs was always opt-in as far as I can remember.

Ubuntu sent Unity dash searches to the web (with an opt-out) for a few releases, but that is back to opt-in now thankfully. As far as I know Ubuntu never tracked any other web traffic.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by badloginagain » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 8:01 PM UTC

hasenj wrote: post #65

The name of the "VS Code" product makes the title a little mis-leading. I thought the code for "Visual Studio" was open sourced. Turns out it's just this stripped down editor called "Visual Studio Code".

Visual Studio Code is a bad name.

- It draws comparisons to Visual Studio- even though Code isn't really an IDE (nor is it supposed to be)

- It's really bad for SEO, searching for "how to do X in Visual Studio Code" pulls hundreds of existing posts on how to do that thing in classic VS. That's going to disrupt developer experience for both VS and Code.

- It's confusing for developers wanting to download Code, or VS; too easy to mistake one for the other.

The SEO problem is a bad one, because it gets worse as each project gets older. I'd even be ok if it were MS Code or something, but VS Code is actually a bad name.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by thalesmello » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 8:05 PM UTC

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #112

mkaziz wrote: post #2

VSC has revolutionized how I code on Linux. Thank you, Microsoft!

Could you elaborate? I've toyed with it, but Sublime works pretty damn well for me so I saw little reason to switch. What about it is so revolutionary for you?

For me, a lot of things simply make more sense. For example, in Sublime, the system configuration files can be modified, but you shouldn't do that. Instead, you have to write on your user settings. On VSCode, you can't modify the system files, and there is a handy reminder and shortcut at the top of the site that configuration files should go in the user settings.

Also, I like the way it handles open files (they are held on a workspace area where you can discard changes) and it also come with git integration.

You can rely on plug-ins to do this kind of work on sublime, but you have to put a lot more effort in configuring it, whereas VSCode comes with better packages right off the box.