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Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by Scuds » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:26 PM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #187

kup0 wrote: post #173

I wasn't sure what to expect from VSC, especially going into it I was worried that it would just be a MS-branded, bloated version of an already-slow Atom. My expectations were completely wrong, though. VSC is not bloated or slow. It's well-made. There aren't really any negative MS-flavored conventions as far as I can tell. This isn't MS Office (which I guess has its place but has gone off the deep end, IMHO). It look…

Bloat and jankyness seems to be a function of project age. This is a relatively greenfield project, so it's pretty nice for now. MS Office is ancient as far as software projects go. The only things that are older at this point is UNIX, Oracle bank/govt mainframes.

By going to VS Code they're jettisoning themselves from the .sln (solution file), .csproj (C# project file), MS Build world. Project management and build files are being pushed into external utilities. This is kind of the way a lot of the rest the world (ruby/node/python) is going.

IDEs are fine, but when you remove the need for an integrated debugger in favor of TDD the need for an IDE diminishes.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by krisdol » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:27 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #190

avivo wrote: post #182

FYI, it seems that Visual Studio sends a lot of data about your usage back to Microsoft. "This includes information about how you use the products and services, such as the features you use, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter." (among other things such as name & device identifiers https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/dn948229 ) You can disable this...but it requires you to re-disable it on every pr…

This has been on Debian, Netbeans, IntelliJ, and other editors / software / OS since as far back as I can remember. Not sure if it's standard, so long as it's optional I don't mind it.

Debian shares all of my web or visits and searches with... whom, exactly? And I have to disable this on every update? Really?

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by krisdol » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:30 PM UTC

mkaziz wrote: post #21

pil4rin wrote: post #3

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corporate shill /s

I'm actually a pretty hard core Linux user who avoids M'soft products when possible, but it's hard to deny I good IDE when I see one. I've never been able to navigate emacs/vim with ease, and sans them, I've never heard of a highly touted, Linux-friendly IDE.

There is so much wrong with this comment, I don't understand how it's being up votes. Never heard of a Linux IDE? Hard core Linux user but never been able to even navigate vim?

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by joeyaiello » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:33 PM UTC

Shameless self-plug: we also released (and open-sourced) a significantly more powerful PowerShell plugin for VS Code today[1][2] as well as a set of .NET and JSON APIs, the PowerShell Editor Services[3], that sits behind it. We welcome contributions and feedback, and feel free to hit up the developer David Wilson, @daviwil, or me, @joeyaiello.

[1] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2015/11/17/announ...

[2] https://github.com/PowerShell/vscode-powershell

[3] http://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShellEditorServices

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by endgame » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:33 PM UTC

Scuds wrote: post #201

mahyarm wrote: post #187

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Bloat and jankyness seems to be a function of project age. This is a relatively greenfield project, so it's pretty nice for now. MS Office is ancient as far as software projects go. The only things that are older at this point is UNIX, Oracle bank/govt mainframes.

By going to VS Code they're jettisoning themselves from the .sln (solution file), .csproj (C# project file), MS Build world. Project management and build files are being pushed into external utilities. This is kind of the way a lot of the rest the world (ruby/node/python) is going. IDEs are fine, but when you remove the need for an integrated debugger in favor of TDD the need for an IDE diminishes.

I would hardly say that TDD removes the need for an integrated debugger. Being able to inspect the state of a system the instant a test fails sounds mighty useful to me.

Also, software builds being driven by an external tool has been common since at least make(1), so it's hardly a ruby/node/python thing.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by Cyph0n » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:33 PM UTC

MaxKK wrote: post #197

mahyarm wrote: post #187

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Bloat and jankyness seems to be a function of project age. This is a relatively greenfield project, so it's pretty nice for now. MS Office is ancient as far as software projects go. The only things that are older at this point is UNIX, Oracle bank/govt mainframes.

You checked the latest Office 2015? I think it improved quite a bit, at least on OSX.

Office 2016. It's absolutely awesome. As native as it gets IMO. It's clear MS is treating OS X with respect.

I used to have Office 2013 installed on a Windows VM because 2011 on Mac was garbage.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by giancarlostoro » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:35 PM UTC

The only thing I wish VS Code had is "Compiling" out of the box. I know you guys want to make an amazing experience for each language, but one of my favorite editors is Geany because no matter the language or platform when I hit build / compile it usually just works. Hoping now that it's gone open source we will see minor changes like compiling / building cross platform at least. Other than that it's a great editor, definitely simple enough and wonderful to work with.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by kuschku » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:36 PM UTC

scscsc wrote: post #188

For those who are, like me, ignorant: VS Code is a source code editor... I find it funny that nowhere on the official page (code.visualstudio.com) does it say that it's an editor.

Well, because it is an editor with refactoring ability, debugger integration, proper autocomplete and typechecking, linting, etc.

At that point it’s probably as much an IDE as NetBeans is an IDE. It’s not nearly as powerful as normal VS, but still.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by aljones » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:39 PM UTC

cballard wrote: post #86

eropple wrote: post #69

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I think reasonable people can probably agree that there is a difference in kind between CoffeeScript and TypeScript. CoffeeScript was functionally equivalent to JavaScript, whereas TypeScript has feature-level improvements that are worth a developer's time. Sure, TypeScript is pushed by Microsoft. It's also an excellent solution for large-scale systems, its adoption is nontrivial, and Microsoft has a history of suppo…

"was"? What happened to Coffeescript, is it dead now?

Well, no, but it has developed a taste for brains.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by giancarlostoro » Wed, Nov 18, 2015, 7:39 PM UTC

krisdol wrote: post #202

giancarlostoro wrote: post #190

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This has been on Debian, Netbeans, IntelliJ, and other editors / software / OS since as far back as I can remember. Not sure if it's standard, so long as it's optional I don't mind it.

Debian shares all of my web or visits and searches with... whom, exactly? And I have to disable this on every update? Really?

I thought it was just what packages you installed though, not sure about web visits, that sounds more like Ubuntu itself maybe?