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Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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> Rule of law does not excuse or lessen atrocities, it defines them. Are you saying that codified law is the only thing that determines what is and isn't an atrocity? As in, anything that's legal isn't an atrocity? I certainly do not agree with that. > Having an open mind, I ask you to look within and ask whether the US is specifically targeting civilians, or has simply targeted military actors hiding among civilian…

>Of course, but why is that relevant? The existence of a worse actor does not make the acts of another actor more excusable. It matters here because my top level comment was a reply to someone emphatically stating there is no difference between the actions of the US and IS and I disagree. I believe there is a difference in the actions of US and IS, I used the law to distinguish between two acts. If someone said there…

I'm not disputing that there are differences between the US military and IS. I'm disputing that the difference is the legality of the actions or the existence of "rule of law."

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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> You can find pretty horrific stuff in the Bible too Yes indeed, but you don't find too many people trying to actually behead or stone people to death based on the Old Testament. You might find a few, but the problem is rather small compared to Islamism.

> Yes indeed, but you don't find too many people trying to actually behead or stone people to death based on the Old Testament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_%28United_States%2... Funny that when it's Christian fundamentalism, it's the perpretrator fault, but when it's Muslim fundamentalism, it's Islam fault... Yes, ISIS/Daesh is as removed from mains…

Still pales in comparison to the number of currently active Islamic terrorist organizations around the world.

Just take a look at this list[0] and see for yourself how many of them are Islamic and how many are not

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_g...

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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The French retaliated to a kidnapping with a bombing. I'm not saying the kidnapping was legitimate, but it reinforces the point that ISIS does not do the really grisly stuff unless they are attacked.

Did the Yazidis attack them? Do you know what they did to the Yazidis?

ISIS wants to conquer Kurdistan, not least because most Kurds ar Sunni -- ISIS is especially vicious to Muslism who aren't Islamic enough. They have no hope in the near term of conquering France.

I'm not arguing ISIS are good people. I'm arguing that, if you don't want to be on the receiving end of terrorist attacks from ISIS, the best way to do that is to stop bombing them.

Otherwise you should assume that they will happen as a matter of routine.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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I'm living in Paris. I heard gunfire from my apartment. My heart goes out to Salah-Eddin, and all people living in the shadow of unspeakable abominations. It saddens me to imagine that simply hearing gunfire in the distance is nothing compared to what my fellow man has witnessed elsewhere. Salah-Eddin's condolences mean a lot to me and I wish him all the best. It's my sincerest hope that French troops will be deploye…

> the Parisian battlefield (yes... that's sadly what it has become) Could you expand on that? I live in Paris too and I don’t feel it has anything different from another city like London or New-York regarding security.

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Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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>does it make any supernatural claims? Yes? Silly, ridiculous relic. Not everyone views the world from an empiricist or materialist atheistic viewpoint. I don't think it's nice to say something is ridiculous simply because you don't see it that way. Further, many followers of religion wouldn't say it's supernatural at all - it's part of nature that hasn't been uncovered, or it can't be uncovered. >Please don't bore u…

I don't really care if anyone's feelings get hurt by me pointing out that something is very obviously false. Only religion gets that kind of treatment. Moreover, I think that the fact that grownups can talk about supernatural religious claims as if they are reasonable and true things about the world is one of the root causes of what happened in Paris. As for Buddhism, yes, I agree it has less supernatural nonsense th…

>Moreover, I think that the fact that grownups can talk about supernatural religious claims as if they are reasonable and true things about the world is one of the root causes of what happened in Paris.

I don't disagree with this. However I think another root cause is that you can influence people to do terrible things when you convince them it's in the name of peace or freedom etc. Humans have no problem getting the ideas of nationalism into the heads of Neo-Nazis; no supernatural claims are needed here. Religion can be used as a tool, and a tool can be used in multiple ways.

>But you've admitted (and I know full well) that there is a great deal of supernatural nonsense tied up with it, for most real-world practitioners.

Whether you think it's nonsense is dependent on whether you believe the Buddha was enlightened or not. I have faith that he was, and that the things he related to people are a path to become enlightened ourselves. When I accept this, it leads to the acceptance of the "nonsense" - the things that you must take purely on faith until doubt has been eliminated - and doubt is eliminated through mindfulness (concentration and insight) meditation. I have faith until I get there. If I don't get there and I still have faith, I'm not unhappy about it.

I can spend my time practicing the Noble Eightfold Path, the practice of which results in happy outcomes for myself (real or not) and being nice to other people, causing no suffering or death or ill will nor bad feelings et cetera. If I can accomplish that, then I'll be happy.

I don't even need Buddhism for this; I could go out and follow the principles, but I will say it will feel incomplete. There are various things that may stand in the way. For example, if I view there being no consequences to clinging and attachment (if I didn't believe in karma), what reason would I have to eliminate clinging? With clinging, I'm still unhappy etc. and my own unhappiness means I will have very little happiness left to give for others. The belief is a net benefit to me, and I think to the people around me.

>Shrouding it in important-sounding, mystical East Asian language and symbols is just silly. Like people who have "katanas" hanging over their mantles.

I don't know of any alternative terms to nibbana and kamma aside from "nirvana" and "karma". I write them like this only because this is how they are written in the romanisation of the Pali language, the language in which the Buddha's discourses are written in. To say "karma" leaves the interpretation slightly more open to the meaning in Hinduism, which I believe is a little different.

Kamma can, as far as I know, best be described as "cause and effect" on a very large scale. The idea that actions have consequences; the idea of "bad karma" and "good karma" is tied up really in interpretation. You can see the consequences as good or bad. From the Buddhist perspective, it's a "law" of the universe, not dissimilar to the laws inside physics that model the universe. I suppose you can use "cause and effect" as a secular term for this, but if you dismiss the concept of other worlds then using it as "cause and effect" would be fine.

Nibbana is more difficult to describe in a "secular" way, as there's no way of knowing that it actually exists unless someone tells you. You need to have faith in it, or actually experience it in order to see the reality of it. In fact, it's said that nibbana is beyond words, so any words one uses to describe it are approximations; e.g, from Samyutta Nikaya 43:

The unfabricated, the uninclined, the truth, the far shore, the subtle, the very difficult to see, the unaging, the stable, the unintegrating, the unmanifest, the unproliferated (nippapancan), the peaceful, the deathless, the sublime, the auspicious, the secure, the destruction of craving, the wonderful, the amazing, the unailing, the unailing state, Nibbana, the unafflicted, dispassion, purity, freedom, the unadhesive, the island, the shelter, the asylum, the refuge, the destination

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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>Of course, but why is that relevant? The existence of a worse actor does not make the acts of another actor more excusable. It matters here because my top level comment was a reply to someone emphatically stating there is no difference between the actions of the US and IS and I disagree. I believe there is a difference in the actions of US and IS, I used the law to distinguish between two acts. If someone said there…

I'm not disputing that there are differences between the US military and IS. I'm disputing that the difference is the legality of the actions or the existence of "rule of law."

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Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Right? Just like killing Saddam and Gadafi stabilized the region. I'm sure nothing bad would happen. It's not like something worse than Al Quaida can happen again. Europe fully deserves the migrant crisis. It went into Middle East guns blazing, and expects to come out of it unscathed.

You realize I hope that you are condemning the migrants to the crisis as well. And they're the ones losing big time, Europe not so much.

I guess in a way I am, but I do feel sympathy for them losing their homes/loved ones in this whole fiasco. I'm mad this whole thing is happening tbh.

But EU is IMO losing just as much. The borders are being redrawn between states, there is palpable tension between EU members(Poland, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia). And weren't abolition of state borders and prevention of another Hitler the motivation behind EU? If so, its failing apart (not a syntax error, figure of speech).

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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> You are using the "someone did some bad things some time ago (and now that I've put things into perspective for you), lets allow another someone do another something bad right now, because it's only fare!" argument. So many misunderstandings I don't know where to start. First, did I say anywhere "lets allow another someone do another something bad right now, because it's only fare!"? No, and that's why you didn't d…

> Second, I don't try to justify or excuse (I mean, Jesus!), just to put in perspective and explain . That's the point, you are putting in perspective unrelated things and unrelated places and unrelated times... None of the events you listed are related to the polling results that almost half of Muslims think that death should be the penalty for apostasy. That's something inherent to the ideology and its resulting cu…

>That's the point, you are putting in perspective unrelated things and unrelated places and unrelated times...

That's why it's called a perspective though: because it has to expand the places and times (the "perspective view") we're taking into account to explain a situation.

But while expanded, they are not "unrelated" -- the places that had those things done to them are the homelands of those people, all have ancestors, relatives and friends that suffered from those things. And similar things (interventions, plundering etc) happens to this very day. Heck, those ISIS fanatics were pampered initially by foreign powers to topple the, call it whatever but at least stable, regime.

>None of the events you listed are related to the polling results that almost half of Muslims think that death should be the penalty for apostasy.

When you hold people in misery, fear and bad living conditions (and poor education), don't be surprised if they revert or held closer to backwards beliefs. Carpet bombing and plundering creates more fanatics than investing or opening a school.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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In America, some 28% of christians are biblical literalists of the "God said it, I believe it, that settles it sort" So they probably would agree with this passage from their bible: Deuteronomy 13:6-10: “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast n…

> So they probably would agree with this passage from their bible: Deuteronomy 13:6-10: No. The bible says itself that those laws no longer apply. Romans 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Galatians 5:13-15 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as…

>No. The bible says itself that those laws no longer apply.

That never stopped Christian fanatics from selectively mix and matching the Bible.

For so-called Christians, ALL the Old Testament stuff should no longer apply when it clashes with what Christ said (which is like all of the time).

But they still prefer the Old Testament's more barbaric and base rules than what's in the Gospels.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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If done at the right time, it would have at least had a chance of transitioning to a somewhat more democratic form of government. As opposed to what actually happened when we did nothing, which is Islamic extremists being the main supporters of the resistance, versus the Russian and Iranian backed Assad. Assad believes that the West will grudgingly back him against ISIS extremists, and not so much against secular reb…

> when we did nothing "We" didn't do "nothing". Countries like France, Israel, US, Turkey and Saudi Arabia spent years destabilising Assad and funding those "opposition groups" that eventually started the civil war. Syria originally was a USSR satellite with ambitions of regional hegemony (they basically ruled Lebanon and deeply influenced Jordan), so they had to be beaten into submission. However, there was never a…

> "Our" best ally in the region is an absolutist monarchy running an Islamist totalitarian regime

Reminds me of that Adam Curtis documentary Bitter Lake[1]. I wonder if Oil Countries are the real reason these terrorist keep appearing again and again.

I bet the moment world gets rid of oil, is the day Islamic terrorist stop appearing.

[1] http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hdcji

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