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The fact that the EU’s replacement rate is 1.59 children per couple and the continent needs substantial levels of immigration to maintain a productive workforce The idea here is that all people are the same, and all you need to do is shoehorn enough to keep the economy going. Beyond the complete lack of humanity in the outlook that we are like barrels of brent, it's simply wrong. If this was the case, the entire worl…

> Beyond the complete lack of humanity in the outlook that we are like barrels of brent, it's simply wrong. Indeed. And there seems, to me, to be something nihilistic in the idea that Europeans should simply let immigrants replace them. Maybe instead, European nations should look into instituting domestic policies that encourage the population to maintain a healthy replacement rate. The article appears to be implying…

The only reason that Daesh exists is the idiotic and pointless wars that have been waged by the US and Europe in the Middle East. Destroying governments and airlifting in weapons is handing them victories and arming them. Their existence is the result of 15 years of a "war on terror". And your conflation of low birth rates in Europe with the topic of war is a symptom of very confused thinking.

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> The fact that the EU’s replacement rate is 1.59 children per couple and the continent needs substantial levels of immigration to maintain a productive workforce > The idea here is that all people are the same, and all you need to do is shoehorn enough to keep the economy going. Maybe it's time to start thinking why people who end up living in the West are unwilling to reproduce, despite having the highest standard…

> Maybe it's time to start thinking why people who end up living in the West are unwilling to reproduce, despite having the highest standard of living ever available to humans. We know why, it's just an inconvenient truth. More women are choosing careers over having more children. To maintain a stable population, each woman has to have an average of two children. But that's the average; many will be infertile or homo…

You can pretty trivially expand the question as to why woman are choosing their careers over children.

Anecdotally, my other half would love to have children but I want to delay it right now because of finances. We live in the south-east of England so this is how things look:-

We have a nice 2 bedroom terrace that costs £500,000. I earn a good living but we're hardly living in luxury. The bank of mum and dad aren't rich, thus I struggle to pay that down. This could perhaps be attributed to woman joining the workforce, a lack of building, and a political lanscape that setup property as invesments.

She wants children to go to private school that may cost £9000-£30000 per year, with an oppertunity cost of upto £2,000,000 per child. This can probably be attributed to the nigh on impossibility to get your kids into a good performing state school and grammer schools being given the shaft after our parents had their turn.

She wants them to have a dad, but Men are afraid of commitment due to the litigious nature of break-ups which screw them over. I'm not saying Dads shouldn't pay for their kids, just they shouldn't be paying £4,000,000 for an ex-wife to keep the advantages of marriage whilst the man no longer gets anything in return

There's probably many more problems because the birthrate is fairly low right around Europe but these are some pretty big negatives for middle class men to commit to having children, at least not until they have their lot in life, which means there's less time to have more than 1-2.

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advanced, wealthy, egalitarian societies simply do not produce babies because nobody really needs them and they're extremely expensive both in actual cost and opportunity cost, especially for females. sure you can shift the cost from the family to the taxpayer or employer, but that doesn't actually remove it. and this phenomenon is not limited to white people, i.e. japan, korea, singapore, taiwan. https://www.google.…

It is not the fact that nobody needs them. It is rather that members of such societies delay this step (to an uncertain extent) due to having a large amount of possible/alternative life choices, which sadly a negative consequence of such a blossoming society.

i think "having other options" is a pretty good definition for "not need".

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TL;DR "ISIS" (or merely the concept of ISIS because it will be replaced by something worse when it is "defeated") wants to make the west attack muslims and islam itself so that muslims take their side and go to war for them, because they are only 30k right now and would love 300k or 3M Conclusively, most religion is moronic and extreme religion is extremely moronic. It's going to get much worse before it gets better…

It depends on the mall, but the nearest 80s-style enclosed mall to me has quite a few vacancies in it. The parking lot has tumbleweeds blowing across it, and they don't even grow here.

And on the other side of the equation, American cops are trigger happy, their SWAT-team-equivalents are swimming in drug war forfeiture slush, combined with military surplus purchase programs, and the citizenry itself has a decent quantity of concealed pistol carriers.

Shooters on foot could kill a lot of people in that first 30 minutes, but after that, the easy targets are all gone, and the retaliation force is on its way to "arrest" your shooters. It doesn't take all afternoon to [opportunistically grab some unpaid merchandise and] scramble for the exits.

Making Americans fear shopping malls is a tactical wrong move. We have already turned against them, mostly. You have to know the culture better. You have to make us fear our own cars and roads. If we stop driving on a daily basis, the whole country collapses.

But with over 30k highway deaths per year occurring already, in the absence of any malice, that's a steep uphill battle. It'd be like putting additional poisons in a carton of tobacco cigarettes.

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It's not that people delay having children, it's that society punishes having children. My fiancee's pregnant coworker was told (we live in the USA, unfortunately) that she would have six weeks of unpaid leave after giving birth, followed by two weeks of short-term disability insurance, and then she could return to work or lose her job. This is for a salaried, postdoctoral scientist at a biotechnology company. In a r…

apparently all the benefits that exist in europe and asia still don't work, so i'm not really sure what your point is here, other than you want some free money for having a baby. society doesn't 'punish' you for having children, having children is simply an expense somebody has to pay for, and nobody wants to do it. you clearly don't want to pay the opportunity cost, as evidenced by your post, so what makes you think…

His / her point is that de facto the industry takes a point of view biased on an economical perspective towards the situation. (Your answer ironically does reflect this as well). The benefit of having children is to have a family and to, in a more biological sense, have offspring which ensures your dna remains within the society. Having a family takes time and enforcing a young parent (especially a person with such a background) to start working in a relative short amount of time is very taxing on their personal life. A better possible solution would be to let the young parent have the ability to work home for a couple days, rather than just giving the option to be fired.

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It's also hard to imagine how not killing doesn't facilitate the vile activities of daesh. I swear this is the late 1930's all over again. "Surely Herr Hitler will get tired of invading countries before he gets to France. Surely military action will only anger him more..."

ISIS and the NSDAP are not even close to being similar geopolitical entities.

The purpose of analogy is not to say that two things are similar in every way.

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So if declaring war on ISIS is the wrong thing, what's the alternative? Giving in and taking terror for granted?

No. Recognize that the terrorists were from Europe. Recognize that integration, investing in suburbs, and improvement of basic living conditions has failed for decades. Then start solving these problems.

People don't spray random other people with automatic weapons because of the marginal level of welfare benefits. The fact that you can even entertain that opinion is mind boggling.

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>To be effective, attacks should be launched against soft targets that cannot possibly be defended to any appreciable degree, leading to a debilitating security state:

> "If a tourist resort that the Crusaders patronize…is hit, all of the tourist resorts in all of the states of the world will have to be secured by the work of additional forces, which are double the ordinary amount, and a huge increase in spending."

That is huge misunderstanding by the author. That is absolutely standard military tactic at least as old as Sun Tzu art of war. The idea is to force enemy to spend more money than you are spending. Security state is just meaningless side effect for ISIS point of view.

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Interesting article. Here's why the ISIS plans won't work as the article describes how ISIS is planning: ISIS has basically five things going for them: (1) A lot of oil money, (2) a lot of desert no one wants to try to live in, (3) a lot of young men without much to do except live off the oil money, (4) a totally, world-class, grand-champion, one of a kind wacko leader -- calling that guy a wacko is an insult to all…

So you feel that genocide is the way to go?

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Isn't it funny that Wahabbists hate being called that ? They get really agitated and say we're not Wahabbis we're just true muslims. One interesting theory I read is that 19th Century Islam was forced to confront the reality that they had declined while Europe had soared. In the ensuing conflict of ideas the one that won out was the thesis that the Islamic world had declined because they had gotten out of touch with…

If one says "keeping up the articles of Magna Carta, rather than resort to catastrophic violence on the part of the powerful outlawed states, would likely help lessen some of the chaos in today's world", does it imply that one is physically calling to go back to the thirteenth century? Similarly, Americans calling to restore the fourth amendment may not mean taking the clock back to the nineteenth century. Salafism i…

I don't understand what you're getting at but I'll try to explain.

Fukuyama said that Capitalist Democracy was the pinnacle of civilisation.

In the same way Salafi / Wahabbi ideology says that we must as much as possible live like the prophet and his contemporaries. Any innovation is derided as Bida/Heretical.

So its not possible to reform certain laws in response to changing circumstances. Eg: Women can inherit only half of what men do. Now I'm not justifying this but this might have been pragmatic (socially acceptable??) for a time where women were subjugated and men were often the sole breadwinners for the entire family.

However in the 21st century noone can really argue that its relevant. But if anyone tries to reform laws such as these you'll have the Wahabbis and Salafis going ape and branding everyone heretics.

There was a cleric in my part of the country who had a very unorthodox interpretation of the scriptures. He was a brilliant orator and a scholar who could hold his fort against the traditionalists. He began gaining a lot of followers however one day he just disappeared and was never found again.

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