The War ISIS Wants

I think the grandparent was talking about terrorist attacks in third countries.

This way of thinking of "us vs. them" in a global scale. After all Europe and the States have his own domestic terrorist too.

Bombing? Boots on the ground? You think these things work? Have you been asleep for the last 15 years?

Interesting article.

Here's why the ISIS plans won't work as the article describes how ISIS is planning:

ISIS has basically five things going for them:

(1) A lot of oil money, (2) a lot of desert no one wants to try to live in, (3) a lot of young men without much to do except live off the oil money, (4) a totally, world-class, grand-champion, one of a kind wacko leader -- calling that guy a wacko is an insult to all the ordinary wackos there have ever been, and (5) by far the most important of the 5, the humanitarian desire of the Western countries to avoid civilian casualties.

But ISIS doesn't "avoid civilian casualties", and the Western countries have a very long and/or significant history of not avoiding civilian casualties. That is, still, now, if the West wants, then it can also quit avoiding civilian casualties.

E.g., the US military fought hard and brilliantly, and took casualties and deaths, fighting in Fallujah, but there was a much faster, safer, cheaper, and easier way -- just level Fallujah from the air. The US could easily have done that in time from a day, an afternoon, an hour, or a millisecond -- literally. Why not? Avoid civilian casualties.

Mean? ISIS mean? In the list of world class mean countries, if want to call ISIS a country, ISIS isn't mean. ISIS is crude, medieval, stupid.

For world class mean, the all time, unique, unchallenged grand champion, and may I have the envelope, please, yes, here it is, the US. Way, way back in honorable mention is a four way tie -- Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Stalinist Russia, and Mao's China.

Why US #1 on mean? The bomb, the atom bomb, used over Japan. Setting that aside, the B-29 and the fire bombing of Japanese cities. Setting that aside, the B-17 and the bombing of German cities including the fire storms where much of the civilian population was converted into burning torches -- shortest way to put it. Horror that can only be tolerated from 20,000 feet up or higher. The best thing those German people had going for them was that they could die only once and, on a night of a fire storm, hopefully, likely quickly. One of the worst horrors in the history of the planet.

For more, and more recently, in a 6 week air campaign and a 100 hour ground campaign, General Schwarzkopf brought to unconditional surrender Saddam's army, the fourth largest army in the world, with 7 million men under arms. Mean? IIRC the US had more casualties (but not deaths) from recreation, e.g., softball, than from enemy action. Soon the Iraqi air force got the message that it was not smart to fly at all (US AWACS could see them and send in F-15s) so would fly just to get away, low, slow, and to ditch in Iran.

Mean? General Schwarzkopf was asked what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi soldiers in the desert next to Saudi Arabia. The answer: "They are still there."

Mean? When a US A-10 flew over the Iraqi troops, they rushed out with white flags. What one or a few A-10s did to the escaping Iraqi troops on the road from Kuwait City back to Iraq -- turned the whole crowded road into teeth, hair, eyes, blood, guts, big pieces made into small ones, and fires, all in just a few A-10 passes -- so shocked the world that Bush 41 rushed to stop such actions. The A-10 is one mean machine -- reduce really big pieces of metal to small ones in a few seconds. And the A-10 is long out of date -- the US has much meaner machines now.

In Gulf War I, it went on this way, our tanks against theirs, our planes against theirs, and especially our F-117 stealth bomber against their radar and anti-aircraft artillery and missiles -- the F-117 flew through Saddam's exploding defenses, bright enough to light up the night sky, and literally never got even a single scratch. Why? The sky is a really big place; shooting blind gives really small chance of hitting anything; and against the F-117 Iraq was shooting blind. The F-117? From the Lockheed Skunk Works -- bright guys out there.

We, here in the US, have GPS, surveillance satellites, smart bombs, cruise missiles, drones, the B-2, the F-22, the M1-A1 tank, aircraft carriers (so difficult to do well the US has about all there are in the world), submarines, both attack and missile firing, etc.

Mean? The US is mean, unique, world-class mean.

Net, without (5), that is, the determination of the US to avoid civilian casualties, the US could "wipe the desert clean" (from an Indiana Jones movie?) of ISIS in a day, much faster if we were in a hurry. E.g., all within about 30 minutes of the ISIS areas, several US SSBNs, each with about 16 missiles, each missile with several warheads, each warhead with, IIRC, ballpark 330 KT of exploding fusion energy.

The US has been willing to kill enemy civilians in the past and can be again in the future. So far, the US is still being a nice guy -- we just blew up some ISIS oil trucks, but first we dropped leaflets telling the civilians to get out of the way.

France? "They are a funny race", but they are no joke: Great wine, cheese, bread, food, really pretty, world class feminine young women, great art, and more. And, in pure and applied mathematics, both physical and medical science, philosophy, etc. France has a very long history of world-class excellence. Since WWII, some of the best mathematicians have been French -- e.g., Bourbaki. My favorite is J. Neveu.

In technical excellence, the French are no joke. They are darned good at making both airplanes and working with nuclear materials, both the electricity generating kind and the exploding kind.

Net, anytime France wants to be "merciless" to ISIS, France can wipe the desert clean of ISIS in an hour.

France is a member of NATO. Maybe that old organization looks like a comedy act, but without firing a single serious shot it's kept the peace in Europe since 1945 or so. Other members include Germany and England and, of course, the US.

Basically, ISIS attacked NATO; definitely a Darwin award on the way. As from Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping tiger and fill him with a terrible resolve." Yup.

If NATO were a country, then it would be by a wide margin the meanest in the solar system.

ISIS can't make glass or matches but attacked NATO? Did I mention wacko?

As soon as, as in no more than a day, the West is willing to kill ISIS civilians, there will be no more ISIS -- in the ISIS areas no more buildings, oil infrastructure, vehicles, tents, camels, flocks, or people. None. The desert wiped clean. The West has killed plenty of civilians before and can do it again, especially against an enemy eager to kill civilians.

For me, IIRC ISIS has said that they intend to get a nuke bomb and explode it against the US. They would likely aim for Wall Street, and I'm just 70 miles north of there. They could hurt me. 'Nuff for me -- wipe the desert clean.

Anders Behring Breivik had a long manifesto that was meant to provide conceptual landscape behind his killing of 77 people. Unsurprising is the appearance of Geert Wilders, Pamela Geller, Daniel Pipes et al. in there, but its remarkably instructive that the likes of the respected George Orwell are also cited. Part of his worldview (and not necessarily his course of action) is shared by a substantive part of the people coming from ethnic-European origin. Much of the less-than-graceful themes in the manifesto were from the doctrinal elements that contributed to the unprecedented carnage across Europe during the WWII, particularly symbolized by the horrific sufferings of the hapless humans of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (There are similar aspects pertaining to the thoughts of Dylann Roof et.al). I wonder whether these affairs and the associated ideological terrains have been examined as widely and with as much interests.

The recent horrific criminal acts in Paris have connections with France's colonial past with Algeria (https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/reflections-on-the-recent-pari...). And Daesh, the brutal group implicated, has its genesis in other brutalities, not unlike other similar affairs in the past (http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-anything...). In different settings with reduced level of invasions and imposed/incited sufferings, such as in Malaysia, things have remained at least as decent as any other.

Want to know what ISIS is up to ? Just take it from their official magazine - it is right there, explicit. The strategy is called "The extinction of the gray zone" - it is about polarizing western society by eliciting islamophobia: "Muslims in the crusader countries will find themselves driven to abandon their homes for a place to live in the Khilāfah, as the crusaders increase persecution against Muslims living in Western land. [..] Eventually, the gray zone will become extinct and there will be no place for grayish calls and movements. There will only be the camp of īmān versus the camp of kufr". So, if you want to counter ISIS influence in our society, you know what to do: love each other... Turning to epidermic identity politics won't help a bit. Even ISIS remarks that our "response is often violently reactionary instead of forward-thinking" - and that is just the way they want it.

Source: http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/islamic-... - (WARNING: shocking images, including severed heads - on top of the shocking text)