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Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#51
I think it is important to understand that friendships usually get built up slowly. However you don't need patience you need to enjoy the process, so there is nothing to endure.

My advice is to try to enjoy your shallow relationships with colleagues and acquaintances. Don't underestimate the rituals of greeting people and participating in small talk.

Relax, listen and share a little-bit of your life ("Traffic is crap, I really wish there was a subway here").

Don't try too hard to turn them into big friendships, end the conversation when it becomes awkward with a "nice talking to you". Try to show up to events or invite people.

Everything else will come in time, especially if you enjoy yourself.

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#52
post #45

Were you successful making such friendships earlier in life?

This raises a good point. If he wasn't good at making such relationships earlier in life, he may be a bit challenged. I think part of his problem is also that he's looking for deep friendships. They don't come easily. You don't have to be someone's soul mate in order to enjoy time with them. Those things will come naturally (Or not - but at least you did go out and socialize.)

To me deep friendships are the distilled product of having many shallow ones. One does not go out to make deep friendships, one goes out to make friends or acquaintances and some of those contacts will deepen over time.

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#53
> Everyone already has their own childhood friends, family, support group that they have built themselves around their whole lives and grew up with. To them, I am just another 'colleague' or 'fellow member of X and Y group', and I know our friendships will never go past a certain level.

I think you are misinterpreting the local culture.

If they are in their 20's then their friendship networks are still quite young and are being created, perhaps you are not understanding your value and potential to the group.

Deep friendships though are just about time and random events. That's why it's good to have diverse acquaintances -> friendships -> deep friendships.

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#54
I was an army brat, moving to a new place every couple years (at least). Later in life, I started moving in parallel of my family for my studies. I moved to China right after I graduated and have been traveling more than I'd like ever since: I actually spent the past 3 or so years living full time on Airbnb or short term leases between Shanghai, SF, Berlin, DC and NYC.

And I still meet people.

I do have people regularly becoming good friends. Not that many, but then I've always preferred small circles.

You could very well engineer your way through it honestly, but you must realize that, like sales or marketing, this mostly involves dealing with people. And people are tricky.

Code will give you an instantaneous (or close enough) feedback; it compiles and crashes, or fails test/QA. You get that in seconds, hours, maybe days or weeks.

With sales, you throw yourself out there and start seeing results down the line, weeks if you're very lucky, but most likely months after you kicked things off. And before it yields any results, you have to be consistent in your effort to reach out and maintain the relationship with your prospective clients.

You want friends. You really really want to? Well then time to start organizing dinners with the ones you know already, or throwing a casual party at your place next weekend. Propose a drink after work once in a while or plan activities that others can tag along with. Encourage them to invite their friends as well, and slowly, but surely, you'll get invited back and introduced to new folks.

Overall, be upbeat and open minded.

But again, and that's the real tricky part, you can't just "try real hard for 2 weeks" and then give up. You'll have to be consistent and resolute for a while before you get anywhere. Like all good things in life, it takes time.

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#55
> How do I overcome this sense of loneliness and dismality?

You are actually asking several different questions. But I suspect if you can overcome this one, you'll find that you won't really yearn for deep friendships as much.

There are several things you should probably ask yourself:

- Are upset that you are alone, or are that you are lonely? Remember, there's two are not necessarily the same.

- What is making you feel dismal about life, exactly?

- What is your definition of a "deep" friendship?

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#56
I know that you probably want to maintain your privacy, but you just missed a good opportunity here to make friends via HN. You should say what state/city you're in, and you might be surprised at how welcoming people can be.

I was in a slightly similar situation in the late 90's when we moved from Florida to western NY. My wife was from this area, but I didn't know anyone. I made a few neighbor/friends, but it was tough because my wife hadn't been back home for many years and we had our own small business (no work acquaintances). I ended up learning to play ice hockey and joined a local group of guys that play pick-up every Sunday morning (we go for coffee afterwards and discuss whatever for a couple of hours). Long story short: I've known them for over a decade and they're now all like brothers to me.

It's tough to join groups when you don't know anyone. But, don't sell yourself short. Many people find it interesting that I've lived over a decade in 3 different US states, so you're practically Christopher Columbus in comparison. Oftentimes the things that we find the most boring about ourselves are exactly that which makes us the most interesting to others.

Good luck !

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#57
post #43

Come to Japan and hang out with me? :-) It's super tough making friends in new cultures and I'm working remotely so I don't meet anyone at work either. I think the key is that deep friendships take a long time to build. Also, because your personality is already mostly formed, it is hard to meet people that you fit with. When you are very young, it's easy to change yourself to fit the group of people you are with. My…

I'm in Japan too! Are you based in Tokyo?

I'm actually in Shizuoka (in Makinohara). But I come to Tokyo occasionally. Feel free to give me a shout. My profile name is the same as my gmail account ;-)

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#59
post #31

- Meet people through work. You have to kinda treat this a bit like dating, and make real effort - when you meet someone you get on with, you'll need to invite them for coffee etc. Do this sooner rather than later. Go to social events that are loosely related to your work. - Activity groups. Meetup.com, Couchsurfing, Nightclasses. Charities and volunteering. - Become a regular at a bar or a cafe. Go there frequently,…

> Meet people through work. yes but not only. It is a dangerous trap to rely on your colleagues for a social life. First they'll always have to be your colleagues, second they're probably the same kind of people as you (where's the diversity), ... > You have to kinda treat this a bit like dating Completely agree with that. And as I said in another comment, looking for friends is kind of looking for a girlfriend. > Co…

> First they'll always have to be your colleagues

Not after you or they left the job.

> second they're probably the same kind of people as you

The diversity is huge already within departments and limitless across.

> Completely agree with that. And as I said in another comment, looking for friends is kind of looking for a girlfriend.

Actually ... it's not at all like that. At least my dating behaviour is for good reasons very different from dealing with guys.

>> Couchsurfing > That's actually a good idea, they regularly meet up.

I have plenty of CS experience and from what I can say - you meet plenty of awesome people through CS - but the relationship-dynamics are exceptionally casual and noncommittal.

>> There's a much higher chance of liking a friend-of-a-friend rather than a random stranger. > Same for dating

Actually - even though this statement seems plausible - I highly doubt it is correct in practice and it isn't as far as I am concerned. It seems rather that people tend to trust more easily and deal more openly with friends of friends.

> If you meet a person and she's not the right one, don't discard her,

To think of "discarding" in that context is stupid in the first place. You can and should discard aholes - anybody else it's just a very dynamic process of distance and closeness which comes to a natural halt at some point.

> The idea can be generalized as: people are not always the perfect fit, but you can still hang out with them and meet some cool people in the process.

Fairly egocentric way of dealing with people - I suppose it's possible to enjoy time with people for what they are without aiming at capitalizing on their relations.

Re: Ask HN: How to form deep friendships later in life?

#60
A lot of questions like this (how to get dates, rise up the ladder, find friends, etc.) have the same answer (well essentially). All you got to do is -

1. Get out there 2. Be yourself

I wrote a whole essay a minute ago, but really it could be a whole course. Like the theme of YCombinator with startups, do things that don't scale.

Find a purpose that you can bring to the table. Can you code well, play a sport, sing, draw? If you have a skill or a hobby then pursue that. I find friends for every activity I do. Its not that I'm trying, but people are everywhere doing everything.

Those people you find in bars aren't always friends since forever either. Life experience tends to make people more emphatic towards each other, right? We all have gone through schools, jobs, and relationships. Had ups and downs. Sometimes its just nice to sit down with anyone who's listening to talk/rant/laugh about those moments.

I'm 31 and work 1hr and a half from home. My house is in a town 2 hours from where I grew up. I knew no one when I arrived but now know plenty of people. And not just in my town, but all over. Some of my favorite people I have met the past couple of years. I tend to see them only once or twice a year. When we do meet up, we can spend all night talking as if we grew up with each other.

If you're open to be a little transparent and also are interested in hearing other people's stories you'll do fine. You'll find it get much easier the more you allow yourself to chill out.

Try this - If you're really having problems meeting folks try the following. 1. Find any gathering where people would be active in your favorite hobby 2. Give yourself only 10 minutes (you can stay the entire night, but 10 minutes from when you arrive to when you leave is enough) 3. Listen in on a conversation (or join the activity for a session) and add a couple of knowledge here and there 4. Leave

What have you learned? You learned how to find people! You may also have found a couple of people who you ended up hanging out with for the duration of the 10 minutes. You might have even stayed the entire night having fun. You may even have had a few FB invites coming your way.

Remember, most people are usually game for new experiences. You are that new experience. Get out there and have some fun!

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