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Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

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Worth pointing out (for those of you not in the storage game) that these appliances, while cool, are pretty far from state of the art. We're (Dropbox) packing up to an order of magnitude more storage into 4U. And costs aren't close, let alone the addressable throughput given that you guys just went to 10G. Serious kudos though are due for the Backblaze blog. You're all at least talking about what you're up to, which…

Put up or shut up. ;)

Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

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post #60

so this is cheaper than even glacier? and it supports client-side-encryption? and it will have a linux client (CLI is good enough)? if that's the case I'm sold. in fact do you have the storage located in various locations? if so can I store a paid-copy to a separate location physically, just to be safe.

Just to be clear, there are 3 different things: * Backblaze Online Backup - $5/month unlimited backup for Mac/Win; automatically does client-side-encryption * Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage - $0.005/GB/mo for object storage (lower cost than Glacier, but we don't yet offer a client, though others are building) * Backblaze Storage Pod - the hardware that underlies both of these, which we also open source for anyone to use

Gleb from Backblaze

Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

#73
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Think free as in free speech, not free beer." It's not under any license, it's just 'free'. We've talked about putting the Storage Pods under a license, and may at some point since we get this question periodically and picking a license that people are familiar with may make it more clear that we really are giving away the design.

i might be wrong, but i'm fairly certain you have rights that you need to explicitly give up in the form of a license in order for it to be "free"

It's a list of commodity parts and some drawings. If you use this information to build your own pod, who would know and who would care?

If you start selling them as your own product, maybe that would be an issue.

Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

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post #67
post #49

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What order of magnitude? There are 60 drive chassis in 4U you can get[0][1], but even a 4TB -> 6TB drive + 15 more drives isn't exactly an order of magnitude. And they have 2 10GiB ports, though I'm sure you can work with them and get more.. It's disingenuous to call this not "state of the art" when it's really quite close, and obviously is meeting a backblaze design goal. [0]: http://www.newisys.com/Products/4600.sh…

A 96 bay 4U chassis is readily available http://www.raidinc.com/products/object-storage/ability-4u-96... but that's still not a magnitude.

Oh nice, I hadn't seen that! Need to look more at it's data sheet.

Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

#76
post #31

Worth pointing out (for those of you not in the storage game) that these appliances, while cool, are pretty far from state of the art. We're (Dropbox) packing up to an order of magnitude more storage into 4U. And costs aren't close, let alone the addressable throughput given that you guys just went to 10G. Serious kudos though are due for the Backblaze blog. You're all at least talking about what you're up to, which…

But Backblaze is for backup. Dropbox.. isn't.

Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

#77
post #67
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What order of magnitude? There are 60 drive chassis in 4U you can get[0][1], but even a 4TB -> 6TB drive + 15 more drives isn't exactly an order of magnitude. And they have 2 10GiB ports, though I'm sure you can work with them and get more.. It's disingenuous to call this not "state of the art" when it's really quite close, and obviously is meeting a backblaze design goal. [0]: http://www.newisys.com/Products/4600.sh…

A 96 bay 4U chassis is readily available http://www.raidinc.com/products/object-storage/ability-4u-96... but that's still not a magnitude.

Heh, any place where I have to request a quote before they show me a price makes me nervous :D

Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

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Having sold a company to IBM, I can attest that this issue would be a Big Problem. {Edit: I mean for any company that used BlackBlaze diagrams labeled "proprietary."}

A big problem for BB if they were to have open source-licensed tech and got acquired by a megacorp, or a big problem for a "kinda-sorta-licensee" of their tech once acquired?

It was a joke, emphasis on IBM 'Big" stuff...

Re: Backblaze Storage Pod 5.0

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post #15

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Yev from Backblaze -> We don't need the boot drive to be that "large", but it's more of a pricing thing. An SSD, even at 256GB would be more expensive than those 5400RPM drives, so we just go with what's cheap :)

Reliability has a cost, too. You can get a 60GB SSD for cheap (Amazon suggests it's about the same price as the slow 500GB HDD), and the SSD will fail at a much lower rate than that HDD.

Yea fair point, might just be easier to order the 500GB ones through our suppliers along w/ our hard drive purchases, but yea, we might go down to SSDs soon. We're constantly iterating on these things.
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