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Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by saint_fiasco »

frame_perfect wrote: post #87
tomp wrote: post #77

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Why? There will still be criminals tradficking drugs to the US... They just won't be ceiminals in Mexico any more!

Isn't that the whole point? If legalization goes through and the crime is only localized to the U.S., then Mexico's supreme court reduced crime in Mexico.

Reducing crime by not calling something a crime doesn't help very much.

The crimes Mexican people most want to reduce are the violent crimes, the corruption, etc, all caused by people having to deal directly or indirectly with cartels if they want to produce/sell/consume drugs.

As long as the US keeps drugs illegal in their market, people will have to deal with the cartels to be able to sell there, and the US is the biggest market.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by dragonwriter »

matthewbauer wrote: post #62
toomuchtodo wrote: post #36

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Not to worry, we're working on decriminalizing it in the States as well. Just think how little violence there'd be if we just manufactured the drugs (legally) here.

should be noted that decriminalization != legalization

And it should also be noted that what the US is moving toward is legalization (eliminating some or all prohibitions on drugs and making them not contraband, though there may be restrictions as with other legal medical drugs or recreational substances), not decriminalization (eliminating criminal penalties for small-quantity possession while maintaining the general prohibition such that the drug is still contraband.) While decriminalization has happened somewhere, state-level legalization of either medical use (making it, from a state perspective, analogous to other legal medical drugs, except with an ad hoc regulatory regime because it is still federally prohibited which prevents it from working with existing protocols for medical drugs) or more generally (making it more like, e.g., alcohol, with the same caveat) and there are currently-active proposals at the federal level for both medical and general legalization.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by [deleted] »

EliRivers wrote: post #119
happyscrappy wrote: post #117

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It is complete fantasy to say that the cartels are just businessmen, they would rather murder someone than pay them.

What do you think business is? When it's overall cheaper to murder someone than pay them, it's good business to murder them.

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Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by [deleted] »

EliRivers wrote: post #119
happyscrappy wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is complete fantasy to say that the cartels are just businessmen, they would rather murder someone than pay them.

What do you think business is? When it's overall cheaper to murder someone than pay them, it's good business to murder them.

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Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by happyscrappy »

EliRivers wrote: post #119
happyscrappy wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is complete fantasy to say that the cartels are just businessmen, they would rather murder someone than pay them.

What do you think business is? When it's overall cheaper to murder someone than pay them, it's good business to murder them.

Some businesses will kill people to save money, look at Volkswagen.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by happyscrappy »

kefka wrote: post #122
happyscrappy wrote: post #114

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If you are ashamed of America you should emigrate, continuing to be a hypocrite while profiting from the system is untenable if you are actually believe what you say. There are plenty of countries where it is a lot easier to become a citizen than the US.

And still be affected by their policies? Doesn't sound like a good plan.

It is certainly easier and more profitable to just be a mouthy hypocrite.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by tomp »

saint_fiasco wrote: post #131
frame_perfect wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that the whole point? If legalization goes through and the crime is only localized to the U.S., then Mexico's supreme court reduced crime in Mexico.

Reducing crime by not calling something a crime doesn't help very much. The crimes Mexican people most want to reduce are the violent crimes, the corruption, etc, all caused by people having to deal directly or indirectly with cartels if they want to produce/sell/consume drugs. As long as the US keeps drugs illegal in their market, people will have to deal with the cartels to be able to sell there, and the US is the…

Well, guess what, that's exactly what helped in the US, ending the prohibition. Violent crimes, corruption etc. happen because people (drug users and drug sellers) can't conduct business legally. When they can, they use the police to resolve problems and generally abide by regulations, because it's simply cheaper to do business that way.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by thaumasiotes »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #128
intopieces wrote: post #126

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Not sure what gives you that impression. During the impeachment of Andrew Johnson, Chief Justice Chase cast 2 tie breaking votes on procedural issues. The purpose of this provision (Article 1, Section 3 - Chief Justice presides over the trial of the President in cases of impeachment) was separation of powers but the authors appear to have overlooked that value when it comes to the Vice President.

It doesn't matter. At worst it says that impeachment issues have to win by 2 votes. That doesn't damage separation of powers in any way. It's just an oddity.

I don't think the VP can vote unless there's a tie, so it just says impeachment issues have to win.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by [deleted] »

saint_fiasco wrote: post #131
frame_perfect wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that the whole point? If legalization goes through and the crime is only localized to the U.S., then Mexico's supreme court reduced crime in Mexico.

Reducing crime by not calling something a crime doesn't help very much. The crimes Mexican people most want to reduce are the violent crimes, the corruption, etc, all caused by people having to deal directly or indirectly with cartels if they want to produce/sell/consume drugs. As long as the US keeps drugs illegal in their market, people will have to deal with the cartels to be able to sell there, and the US is the…

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Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Post by frame_perfect »

api wrote: post #127
frame_perfect wrote: post #88

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I probably would have never started smoking pot if there wasn't that edgy/cool/illegal vibe to it. Once pot is legal, the stigma around recreational use will probably turn into something like drinking cough syrup for the DXM.

It won't be that lame, but I do expect some of the cool factor to fade a bit. There will be something like the craft beer scene and some aficionados and mostly a lot of people who might smoke it every once in a while but not often. Unlike, say, alcohol or heroin, it is not physically addictive. It can be psychologically habit forming but so can everything else. I personally never liked it that much so I can't see mys…

Ah, yeah true. I could kind of see it going the way of wine.
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