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Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by creshal »

technofiend wrote: post #28

I think this is just ticking a box for Microsoft since I believe you can get RH on AWS. But let's be honest - how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX? Sure if you already have a .NET app, hosting it in UNIX may give you some benefit. But is anyone really going to write an app from scratch with this in mind? I'm skeptical.

With .NET being open sourced, they're probably hoping on a wider ecosystem developing around it.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by forgotpwtomain »

technofiend wrote: post #28

I think this is just ticking a box for Microsoft since I believe you can get RH on AWS. But let's be honest - how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX? Sure if you already have a .NET app, hosting it in UNIX may give you some benefit. But is anyone really going to write an app from scratch with this in mind? I'm skeptical.

The default RHEL on AWS is loaded with a bunch of a crap - supposedly Redhat officially supplies the distro, but one really has to wonder if a single week of engineering time has ever went into this. I mean seriously WiFi-drivers?!

[1] https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/review/product-reviews/re...

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by pweissbrod »

diakritikal wrote: post #17

In the last 5 years we've experimented with Linux on top of hyper-v a few times. The basic I/O, compile & runtime performance was significantly inferior to xen & kvm (didn't bench against vmware, phasing it out due to cost), it wasn't worth any effort to even deploy apps for testing. Therefore I don't see Linux on hyper-v being a compelling option for the cost conscientious technical officer or lead engineer.

I find this interesting. I see many conflicting and biased studies comparing cloud/hypervisor performance.

There are a great number of variables that come into play with configuring each hypervisor. Also, considering continual updates, a solid analysis 6 months ago may be stale. Not to mention most of the studies come from the vendors, not from independent parties.

Question: does anyone know of an ongoing/reliable performance review of the major hypervisors?

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by johncolanduoni »

technofiend wrote: post #28

I think this is just ticking a box for Microsoft since I believe you can get RH on AWS. But let's be honest - how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX? Sure if you already have a .NET app, hosting it in UNIX may give you some benefit. But is anyone really going to write an app from scratch with this in mind? I'm skeptical.

With their release of CoreCLR[1], which combined with the class libraries, I think there is a lot of reason to look at .NET on UNIX. The implementation includes the same JIT and GC that the .NET framework uses, it just cuts out a bunch of bits that likely wouldn't be relevant to people developing server backends (WPF, AppDomains, etc.).

For server stuff, .NET is now close to the level of openness and compatibility that the OpenJDK enjoys. If you like C# or F# better than Java, there is plenty of reason to switch.

[1]: https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by toyg »

scholia wrote: post #29
toyg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or rather Microsoft desperately clinging on RedHat to make its cloud proposition look commercially legit. I mean, look at that list: the first two items are for SuSE, a distribution that is hardly popular these days, then you have "knockoff RedHat" CentOS and "hobbyist's choice" Ubuntu. I'm surprised they left off Debian, I guess that's still a bit too hippy. In any case, not the stuff of dreams, from a commercial st…

Was simply pointing out the fact that Linux has been on Azure for years, because apparently some people don't know that. Indeed, according to Microsoft: "More than 20 percent of Azure virtual machines run on Linux." http://news.microsoft.com/cloud/index.html You're welcome to spin anything you like.

Yeah, but "Red Hat being late" is not a fact, it's placing the burden on Red Hat for getting their stuff running on Microsoft's systems for Microsoft's benefit. "Microsoft was late getting Red Hat on board" is the exact same fact with the opposite spin.

No spin would have been "both companies ironed out an agreement allowing their products to be commercially supported when working together, three years after Azure launched support for Linux systems". I know, not sexy.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by forgottenpass »

bechampion wrote: post #16

who uses redhat ? (im not being sarcastic)

Generally speaking, entities where their professional administration teams need a *nix product with a strong reputation for dependability and the fall-back option of a support contact for when things go pear-shaped. This is vaguely referred to as "The Enterprise," because they tend to be large, low risk organizations with high user counts.

RedHat's userbase is basically the opposite side of the spectrum from Ubuntu users flying by the seat of their pants with that popular free server thingie they heard about.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by cwyers »

technofiend wrote: post #28

I think this is just ticking a box for Microsoft since I believe you can get RH on AWS. But let's be honest - how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX? Sure if you already have a .NET app, hosting it in UNIX may give you some benefit. But is anyone really going to write an app from scratch with this in mind? I'm skeptical.

> how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX?

That's not the point of this. MS is positioning Azure as the cloud for enterprise. Azure can run a bunch of hosted services you had to administer yourself (Active Directory, Office 365, etc.), it can run any Windows server apps you had, and now it can run enterprise Linux apps on the most popular enterprise Linux distro. So if you're a company that has Office, Active Directory and an Oracle database running on RHEL, you can move your everything into Azure.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by [deleted] »

thebouv wrote: post #8

I'm not fooling myself into seeing this as anything but a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" setup. RedHat is getting a ton out of this, and so is Microsoft. Who's the main target for Azure? Enterprise companies who trust Microsoft implicitly. When an exec comes to the head of IT and says "we need to be on the cloud! I read about it!", Azure eases the transition by being able to go to vendor you've already bee…

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