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Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by rch » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:01 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #10

frik wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2006 we had a similar headline. Microsoft partnered with Novell (SuSE Linux), and there was no happy end for one of them (Novell is no more; SuSE Linux once a major distribution next to RedHat is a shadow of its former self). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell#Agreement_with_Microsof...

I remember that one. Many people were pissed off because that partnership included a patents agreement. This was because in the eyes of many, this meant an acknowledgement from Novell that Microsoft was in the right to claim patents infringement of Linux and SuSE Linux was then advertised as the safe distribution. Talk about a sure way to piss off your community.

Not just an agreement, but also that 'Novell agreed to pay royalties to Microsoft based on Novell's open source sales'.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2654097/linux/the-microsoft...

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:02 PM UTC

illumen wrote: post #11

thebouv wrote: post #8

I'm not fooling myself into seeing this as anything but a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" setup. RedHat is getting a ton out of this, and so is Microsoft. Who's the main target for Azure? Enterprise companies who trust Microsoft implicitly. When an exec comes to the head of IT and says "we need to be on the cloud! I read about it!", Azure eases the transition by being able to go to vendor you've already bee…

Azure is the OS. Red hat's stuff is the application.

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Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by thebouv » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:02 PM UTC

illumen wrote: post #11

thebouv wrote: post #8

I'm not fooling myself into seeing this as anything but a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" setup. RedHat is getting a ton out of this, and so is Microsoft. Who's the main target for Azure? Enterprise companies who trust Microsoft implicitly. When an exec comes to the head of IT and says "we need to be on the cloud! I read about it!", Azure eases the transition by being able to go to vendor you've already bee…

Azure is the OS. Red hat's stuff is the application.

Yes.

And different Linux flavors were already on Azure as "applications" prior to this deal.

But now RedHat is getting the official stamp.

If Azure the OS only had Windows the App, that would be a great failing. MS is smart and playing Azure out to not just promote other MS products. Expanding it as an ecosystem for various OSes is a Good Thing.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by toyg » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:04 PM UTC

scholia wrote: post #14

This isn't really new, it's just Red Hat being late to the party. From Jun 6, 2012: "The Linux services will go live on Azure at 4 a.m. EDT on Thursday. At that time, the Azure portal will offer a number of Linux distributions, including Suse Linux Enterprise Server 11 SP2, OpenSuse 12.01, CentOS 6.2 and Canonical Ubuntu 12.04. Azure users will be able to choose and deploy a Linux distribution from the Microsoft Wind…

Or rather Microsoft desperately clinging on RedHat to make its cloud proposition look commercially legit. I mean, look at that list: the first two items are for SuSE, a distribution that is hardly popular these days, then you have "knockoff RedHat" CentOS and "hobbyist's choice" Ubuntu. I'm surprised they left off Debian, I guess that's still a bit too hippy. In any case, not the stuff of dreams, from a commercial standpoint.

So you can spin it both ways, really.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by lloydde » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:04 PM UTC

frik wrote: post #4

yxhuvud wrote: post #3

Now that is a headline that would have raised a few eyebrows 15 years ago.

In 2006 we had a similar headline. Microsoft partnered with Novell (SuSE Linux), and there was no happy end for one of them (Novell is no more; SuSE Linux once a major distribution next to RedHat is a shadow of its former self). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell#Agreement_with_Microsof...

Worked out well for Xamarin. Also, it seems to me that SUSE is still in good shape, but didn't continued to grow like RedHat.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by pjmlp » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:12 PM UTC

frik wrote: post #4

yxhuvud wrote: post #3

Now that is a headline that would have raised a few eyebrows 15 years ago.

In 2006 we had a similar headline. Microsoft partnered with Novell (SuSE Linux), and there was no happy end for one of them (Novell is no more; SuSE Linux once a major distribution next to RedHat is a shadow of its former self). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell#Agreement_with_Microsof...

Our clients seem to still use it a lot, I usually see it being deployed together with SAP when I get project reports.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by rdtsc » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:13 PM UTC

bechampion wrote: post #16

who uses redhat ? (im not being sarcastic)

Non-startup world uses Redhat.

Amazon Linux is based on Redhat. CentOS is a Redhat recompile, so you can say anyone using that is also using "Redhat". US govt almost exclusively uses RHEL when they mean "Linux". Also banks, healthcare, etc.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by technofiend » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:14 PM UTC

I think this is just ticking a box for Microsoft since I believe you can get RH on AWS. But let's be honest - how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX? Sure if you already have a .NET app, hosting it in UNIX may give you some benefit. But is anyone really going to write an app from scratch with this in mind? I'm skeptical.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by scholia » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:18 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #24

scholia wrote: post #14

This isn't really new, it's just Red Hat being late to the party. From Jun 6, 2012: "The Linux services will go live on Azure at 4 a.m. EDT on Thursday. At that time, the Azure portal will offer a number of Linux distributions, including Suse Linux Enterprise Server 11 SP2, OpenSuse 12.01, CentOS 6.2 and Canonical Ubuntu 12.04. Azure users will be able to choose and deploy a Linux distribution from the Microsoft Wind…

Or rather Microsoft desperately clinging on RedHat to make its cloud proposition look commercially legit. I mean, look at that list: the first two items are for SuSE, a distribution that is hardly popular these days, then you have "knockoff RedHat" CentOS and "hobbyist's choice" Ubuntu. I'm surprised they left off Debian, I guess that's still a bit too hippy. In any case, not the stuff of dreams, from a commercial st…

Was simply pointing out the fact that Linux has been on Azure for years, because apparently some people don't know that. Indeed, according to Microsoft: "More than 20 percent of Azure virtual machines run on Linux."

http://news.microsoft.com/cloud/index.html

You're welcome to spin anything you like.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by adrianlmm » Wed, Nov 04, 2015, 3:19 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #28

I think this is just ticking a box for Microsoft since I believe you can get RH on AWS. But let's be honest - how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX? Sure if you already have a .NET app, hosting it in UNIX may give you some benefit. But is anyone really going to write an app from scratch with this in mind? I'm skeptical.

I would, .NET and the latest C# is awesome and superior to other frameworks, so yes, the fact that can run in Linux is something very atractive.