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A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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I think it's star trek canon that the Ferengi never had any internal problems with slavery (of other Ferengi) or genocide. I think it would be much more interesting to explore the creepier side of this supposedly egalitarian post-scarcity economy... I mean think of how wierd it is that a military organization is in charge of scientific exploration, that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times, et…

Yeah a look into the Federation society could be interesting. One thing that always bothered me was why people weren't basically just spending their time hanging around the food replicators and fornicating in the hologram machine. I can buy that the crew of a starship would be chosen for a strange combination of discipline and risk-aversion (not to mention Starfleet adding something to the water), but it seemed to me…

The real answer is because it's a family-friendly franchise, with a utopian vision of humanity that doesn't offend the sponsors. I think they do get up to some weird, freaky stuff in the holodeck, but like the toilets, it's one of those facets of Star Trek life that can only exist offscreen.

Why do the holodeck doors[0] look like they have massive locking mechanisms? The holodeck is apparently one of the most advanced pieces of technology in Starfleet, a system of such vast complexity it can be create sentient life on command, and simulate the experience of entire worlds down to the atomic level. Why would such a system have what appears to be a peripheral role on the ship, serving as little more than entertainment, and why is it apparently locked up tighter than even the bridge?

It's implied that humans for the most part have evolved beyond beyond base desires like greed and hatred, but this is rarely backed up by any of the series. But what if, among Federation society, displays of "unevolved" human behavior are generally forbidden or frowned upon outside of a controlled environment like the holodeck?

Whatever happens in the holodeck, stays in the holodeck (except when it doesn't) thoroughly locked away out of sight and out of mind. It acts as a release mechanism for humanity's atavistic pleasure seeking side, but humans can't admit that it plays as central a role in their society as it must. We catch glimpses of this now and then from Barclay, or the one time Geordi's secret hologram girlfriend was discovered by the woman it was based on, but for the most part the humans maintain the pretense that that part of their psyche no longer exists.

Part of the reason for this subterfuge (that I'm concocting and that isn't canon but should be) might be that the Federation was started and run by humans, a species which is, as interstellar societies go, still practically children. Anyone spending time being tutored in civilization by the condescending (per Enterprise) Vulcans, the first alien species Humans encounter and the one that forms, if even subconsciously, their template for what "aliens" actually are, might have developed a deep species-level cultural cringe and a desire to appear more "evolved" to other species.

[0]http://api.ning.com/files/2bmZ7rAoYlF22iZQvOguNf5lHJktmIBVkr...

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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I've just heard from the HN powers that be that this post was flagged for being "off-topic".

That's right: Star Trek is off-topic in a techie geek forum.

I have officially seen everything.

I'd be very mildly ticked about this, if it weren't so amusing. :)

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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A similar story like this one was posted this morning. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10492824 Within one hour it had nearly 200 up-votes, and over 120 comments. Then, suddenly, it was flagged and buried into the archives of Hacker News. While this may not be "Hacker News" it is obviously content that resonates with a large percentage of the HN community. I hope the mods just let it be this time.

They didn't; it dropped from #2 to out of the top 200 or so instantly. I emailed the mods to ask if I had done something wrong, and was informed that this post was "off-topic", because it was not "deeply interesing" and/or did not satisfy intellectual curiosity.

Very aggressive modding, and very silly modding.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Am I the only one who doesn't like those links to the NYTimes requiring registration or social login? Here's the news from another source http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premier... (courtesy of the other thread)

Easy to dodge the paywall:

1) copy the part of the url containing the story's title 2) paste just that part into the URL bar (to do a Google search) 3) the story will come up as the first hit, click on it, boom, no more paywall

This works for quite a few major sites. (WSJ, New Yorker, etc.)

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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post #83

A similar story like this one was posted this morning. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10492824 Within one hour it had nearly 200 up-votes, and over 120 comments. Then, suddenly, it was flagged and buried into the archives of Hacker News. While this may not be "Hacker News" it is obviously content that resonates with a large percentage of the HN community. I hope the mods just let it be this time.

They didn't; it dropped from #2 to out of the top 200 or so instantly. I emailed the mods to ask if I had done something wrong, and was informed that this post was "off-topic", because it was not "deeply interesing" and/or did not satisfy intellectual curiosity. Very aggressive modding, and very silly modding.

The truth is, the only intellects that matter here are those of the mods. If they don't find a subject interesting, it's objectively uninteresting.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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>that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times The tracking as such seems to be pretty passive most of the time - the computer has to be asked before telling the bridge crew where someone is (for dramatic effect), even if they've been confined to quarters, or sucked into a parallel universe. It could be that the computer is constantly monitoring the crew, or that while it has the capability to tra…

Somehow I always thought the computer tracked people's badge, not the bodies.

I do think I remember that happening a lot. But the computer also tracked down people without badges sometimes, whenever the plot required.

Maybe having a combadge meant the computer was only allowed to track the badge and not that person under normal circumstances.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Insurrection was the closest film to a TV episode.

Insurrection is my favorite of the Star Trek films and I hadn't thought of it that way before but I think you nailed it. With the exception of Riker steering the Enterprise with that hidden Gravis Blackhawk joystick, it was very much like a feature length episode of the TV series.

Yeah, my favourite too, even though it has low ratings.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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post #84
post #16

Am I the only one who doesn't like those links to the NYTimes requiring registration or social login? Here's the news from another source http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premier... (courtesy of the other thread)

Easy to dodge the paywall: 1) copy the part of the url containing the story's title 2) paste just that part into the URL bar (to do a Google search) 3) the story will come up as the first hit, click on it, boom, no more paywall This works for quite a few major sites. (WSJ, New Yorker, etc.)

Or, just click the link that says "web" for the story, then click the top link.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Not the first time I've heard this odd vs even thing. Was The Voyage Home the one with the whales? That premise was a bit silly although the film had its moments. Which number was First Contact? I always thought that was way better than the others.

Since it was apparently a little confusing: 1) The Motion Picture: The one with V'Ger 2) The Wrath of Khan: The one with Khan 3) The Search For Spock: The one that fixed the problem caused by #2 4) The Voyage Home: The one with the whales 5) The Final Frontier: The one of which will not be spoken 6) The Undiscovered Country: The one with the Khitomer Accords 7) Generations: The one with both Kirk and Picard 8) First…

Thanks, makes sense now, although those subtitles all sound like unaired episodes of Friends (which I'd definitely watch).
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