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A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by boxy310 »

dnautics wrote: post #27
gajomi wrote: post #22

I am only somewhat familiar with Star Trek (mostly by way of TNG), but I think it would be cool to see a conflict with a re-imagined version of the Ferengi. I never heard any exposition on the details, but the Federation is supposedly an essentially egalitarian post-scarcity economy with a religion of space exploration. In contrast, the Ferengi always seemed much closer to our own society: they are cold blooded capit…

I think it's star trek canon that the Ferengi never had any internal problems with slavery (of other Ferengi) or genocide. I think it would be much more interesting to explore the creepier side of this supposedly egalitarian post-scarcity economy... I mean think of how wierd it is that a military organization is in charge of scientific exploration, that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times, et…

The timeline changes from the new Star Trek movies imply that the Vulcans (pacifist science beatniks driven by cold logic) hold dramatically less sway over Starfleet Command, which is why Admiral Marcus almost succeeded in a coup.

Kirk always had a mixed-bag relationship with Starfleet and had to go to bat up against them in Spock's favor. Picard also foiled a number of infiltrations on Earth during the early seasons of TNG. Dr. Bashir and Chief O'Brien repeatedly tussled with agents of Section 31 on DS9. Tom Riker ended up fleeing Starfleet so he could fight with the Maquis, who were betrayed by the Federation and tortured by Cardassian overlords. Sisko himself murdered an ambassador and implicated the Dominion in a diplomatic plot to get Romulans to join the war.

There's a hell of a lot of well-intentioned extremists, even in Star Trek's utopia. Now what happens when you take away the biggest voice of reason? Sends shivers down my spine to think about what kind of darkness in the hearts of men the crew of the Possibly-Enterprise will wrestle with.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by WorldMaker »

WorldMaker wrote: post #19
gkoberger wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn't like Star Trek on CBS proper. Shows on TV need to be mainstream to work, given how advertisement works. By putting it online, they're changing the expectations: it doesn't have to appeal to everyone. Rather, it can be made for a niche audience, which is good for Star Trek. That's why Arrested Development (in theory) can work on Netflix but not FOX.

Yeah, I don't think Star Trek meshes with CBS demographics right now. They'd likely end up with NCIS: Star Trek Edition. That said, I probably wouldn't mind a young adult soap opera Star Trek for the CW network. The issue with CBS' digital efforts is that they are a strange island unto themselves and Star Trek alone is unlikely to get too many more visitors to their island. They really need to consider a partnership…

What's with all the downvotes? Was it the CW comment? If so, are the downvoters not currently watching CW's Flash? That sort of light-hearted, inter-personal drama-fueled show would work for Star Trek, I think.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by erickhill »

A similar story like this one was posted this morning. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10492824

Within one hour it had nearly 200 up-votes, and over 120 comments. Then, suddenly, it was flagged and buried into the archives of Hacker News.

While this may not be "Hacker News" it is obviously content that resonates with a large percentage of the HN community. I hope the mods just let it be this time.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

gajomi wrote: post #22

I am only somewhat familiar with Star Trek (mostly by way of TNG), but I think it would be cool to see a conflict with a re-imagined version of the Ferengi. I never heard any exposition on the details, but the Federation is supposedly an essentially egalitarian post-scarcity economy with a religion of space exploration. In contrast, the Ferengi always seemed much closer to our own society: they are cold blooded capit…

The Ferengi and their culture are a focus of Deep Space 9; You should give it a watch.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by krapp »

dnautics wrote: post #27
gajomi wrote: post #22

I am only somewhat familiar with Star Trek (mostly by way of TNG), but I think it would be cool to see a conflict with a re-imagined version of the Ferengi. I never heard any exposition on the details, but the Federation is supposedly an essentially egalitarian post-scarcity economy with a religion of space exploration. In contrast, the Ferengi always seemed much closer to our own society: they are cold blooded capit…

I think it's star trek canon that the Ferengi never had any internal problems with slavery (of other Ferengi) or genocide. I think it would be much more interesting to explore the creepier side of this supposedly egalitarian post-scarcity economy... I mean think of how wierd it is that a military organization is in charge of scientific exploration, that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times, et…

>that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times

The tracking as such seems to be pretty passive most of the time - the computer has to be asked before telling the bridge crew where someone is (for dramatic effect), even if they've been confined to quarters, or sucked into a parallel universe. It could be that the computer is constantly monitoring the crew, or that while it has the capability to track anyone on the ship at any time (which is plausible) this is only used when necessary.

Edit: now that I think about it, the latter would make sense on a ship which would be expected to occasionally house diplomats or dignitaries, who might expect some degree of privacy. Also, we can infer from episodes like The Ultimate Computer that there is kind of a mistrust of strong AI among the Federation, which would justify the computer defaulting to privacy unless explicitly being commanded to do otherwise.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by agumonkey »

Inthenameofmine wrote: post #10
s5edvvddd wrote: post #4

Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers. This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again. I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations…

Yeah this isn't going to be about the core of what Star Trek is about: Humanistic ideas, science, and exploration. > a series like TNG will never be made again I have higher hopes than ever actually. With Netflix creating their own TV shows, crowdfunding booming, as well as cheap alternative movie and CGI studios popping up worldwide, we might some day see something even better than TNG. Edit: I mean, look at Stargat…

Interesting, as a kid, all I saw in ST was ... bureaucracy. It looked like my father's office, except post modern.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by dasboth »

amalcon wrote: post #28
untog wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be the contrarian optimist: Star Trek movies are, on average, bad. Compare Star Trek: Nemesis to an episode of TNG - it's guilty of everything you attribute to the new Star Trek movies. The only reason it got a pass was because of the goodwill that the TNG show garnered for its characters. So I choose to believe/hope that a TV show isn't doomed to have the same outlook as the movie. I expect I may well be wrong,…

Nemesis was rather poorly received among fans of the series. Though honestly, so were most of the other Star Trek films. Out of the pre-Abrams Star Trek films, four were generally well received (2, 4, 6, 8). The first and third films have a few people who like them, but are broadly disliked. The fifth, seventh, ninth, and tenth are almost universally disliked. Even among the four generally well received films, only #…

Not the first time I've heard this odd vs even thing. Was The Voyage Home the one with the whales? That premise was a bit silly although the film had its moments. Which number was First Contact? I always thought that was way better than the others.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by Touche »

Inthenameofmine wrote: post #10
s5edvvddd wrote: post #4

Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers. This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again. I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations…

Yeah this isn't going to be about the core of what Star Trek is about: Humanistic ideas, science, and exploration. > a series like TNG will never be made again I have higher hopes than ever actually. With Netflix creating their own TV shows, crowdfunding booming, as well as cheap alternative movie and CGI studios popping up worldwide, we might some day see something even better than TNG. Edit: I mean, look at Stargat…

> we might some day see something even better than TNG.

We already saw that. http://www.startrek.com/page/star-trek-deep-space-nine

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by pyrophane »

Touche wrote: post #49
Inthenameofmine wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this isn't going to be about the core of what Star Trek is about: Humanistic ideas, science, and exploration. > a series like TNG will never be made again I have higher hopes than ever actually. With Netflix creating their own TV shows, crowdfunding booming, as well as cheap alternative movie and CGI studios popping up worldwide, we might some day see something even better than TNG. Edit: I mean, look at Stargat…

> we might some day see something even better than TNG. We already saw that. http://www.startrek.com/page/star-trek-deep-space-nine

Oh really? I haven't watched much of DS9. Perhaps I should give it another look.
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