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Re: A new approach to China

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An additional thought: this could potentially be genius from a business strategy standpoint against Microsoft. I confess I've been weighing the possibility of switching to Bing for a variety of reasons but because of this I'm less likely to do so. After the dust settles, if Google is able to change Chinese government policy on search that would be monumental. If they aren't and ultimately leave China, that puts the s…

The book "Creative Capitalism" features a discussion, sparked by Bill Gate's speech about the ability of tweaking capitalism somehow to serve the very poorest of the world. The economist-headed detractors tended to boil everything down to companies charging higher prices in order to give money to charity. They then explain that this doesn't work because it is proven that customers will buy the ethical option online i…

Just a small quibble - I think you're creating a bit of a strawman in economists. Coming from both an economics and marketing background, I would suggest most economists believe that companies should act in the interests of their shareholders.

Charity can be a form of marketing just as creating a culture where at times short term profits may be sacrificed for long term benefits is also very much in the best interests of shareholders. Thus, the beauty of this economic system is that while you can profit by pursuing profit for its own sake (which can mean being charitable), I do think taking a principled approach results in more sustained and greater long term profitability - as I suspect irrespective of the outcome, this will be a case study for years to come.

Re: A new approach to China

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Wow! Things just went batshit crazy. Trying to tell financial people to calm down. Google wasn't making any money in China anyway. And there is no reason to think right now that this will affect anyone else. I REALLY hope people can regain their bearing before tomorrow's trading session. Thank you Google for announcing this after market close! To have announced it during trading would have been horrid. EDIT: BTW It i…

This might be a great time to buy GOOG - from the little I know about finance people, this has all of the heuristics which will make them overreact.

Re: A new approach to China

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The last three paragraphs gave me chills. If Google follows thru and exits China I really, really hope it will be the beginning of an exodus of those companies that support the Golden Shield Project. I'm looking at you Cisco - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=f...

I am sure we will all be watching closely over the next few weeks, but kudos are due to Google already.

Re: A new approach to China

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Google has an online store: http://www.googlestore.com/

This really is a landmark announcement and really shows that they still take their corporate motto seriously. The announcement may not mean anything until they take concrete action, but they have pretty much committed to doing /something/. Anyways, I'm going to start showing my support now :)

Re: A new approach to China

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I hope this increases the pressure on other search providers to do the right thing. It will be interesting to see how the Chinese govt responds

> It will be interesting to see how the Chinese govt responds. Chinese Gov will be glad if google leaves - they have nothing to loose. Their credibility as an ethical government will be bruised, not that there was any credibility to begin with.

On the contrary, the services that Google provides are very important. It's hard for me to imagine China in the role of technology leadership that they'd like, without the support of Google's services.

I think that China's leadership needs to give serious thought to what it'll cost them if their industry and their people can't (legally) use Google.

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Depending how this unfolds, I would expect a shallow but broad effect on Chinese business. Imagine that all Google properties get banned: Interoperability with foreign businesses becomes a minor issue. Small business-to-small-business gets a little bit of friction (eg, cannot read your spreadsheet). Some classes of (especially outsourcing) Chinese companies cannot compete. They cannot provide ppc or seo services. Chi…

I'm not convinced. Google is talking about shutting down google.cn, not blocking google.com from the Chinese internet. I've used google services from China without any issues. Also, the local market in China is much more Windows-focused than in the U.S. I think Microsoft leaving the Chinese market would have a huge effect. Overall, the question is not whether it has an impact on Chinese business but whether it would…

Back up a minute. I never said that everything Google would be pulled from China.

But right now there are some heated conversations going on in the larger offices of China's censor. They will be weighing up the potential to block Google entirely and strategies for doing this if t becomes necessary. They will be adding up the costs. They will realise that leverage is not just one sided.

I think Microsoft leaving any market would have a big effect, probably more then Google.

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nobody seems to be commenting on the attack part of that post. what was the "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google"? that doesn't sound like just a few end-user gmail accounts being compromised, but something that was much more serious that may have exposed more information than just what these ch…

For some background information: GFW research team tried heavily to crack down the SSL certificate for gmail (thus, they can censor the gmail content through GFW).

Does it has anything to do with http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg03928.ht... ?
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