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Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
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Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#42This is funny "starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, anded,. finally “Car in charge” in 2025." Given what Google has already demonstrated, its more likely we will see fully autonomous within 5 years. I'm betting less than that in a few test cities. So probably too late already for "Detroit"
Are you seriously suggesting that, in just five years, you'll be able to go to your computer and order yourself a car that will drive itself to your house in an arbitrary US city? (Because, if we're going to have 100% autonomous cars, we might as well assume that we've totally revamped the whole automobile distribution system too.)
Even the "car in charge" in 2025 seems ridiculously optimistic even if the problem is tightly bounded by type of road.
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
when adblockers start charging, I'll believe in an alternate revenue model for the open internet edit: I meant when people start paying for adblockers
https://www.google.com/contributor/welcome/
I think I stated my idea incorrectly, I mean when people start paying for adblockers. Which Hulu+ is doing quite well actually
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#44This is funny "starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, anded,. finally “Car in charge” in 2025." Given what Google has already demonstrated, its more likely we will see fully autonomous within 5 years. I'm betting less than that in a few test cities. So probably too late already for "Detroit"
> Given what Google has already demonstrated, its more likely we will see fully autonomous within 5 years.
Really? I thought that Google's car doesn't work in bad weather (and it say so in the article too).
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#45Sorry for the off-topic-ness, but it really irks me when the US auto industry is referred to as "Detroit." I grew up in Flint, MI and currently live just outside of Detroit, and the implication that the US auto industry is here is, frankly, rather offensive. Sure, there are a couple plants here and there, and corporate HQs, of course, but after what the US auto industry did to the blue collar workers in Flint and Det…
It's a synecdoche (and a deeply entrenched one: Detroit is a long-standing symbol denoting the auto industry.) Do you object to a farm helper being called a "hand", because he's an entire man? People understand that "hand" denotes the person, just like they understand that Detroit, in context, isn't literally the city of Detroit. If the President is visiting Los Angeles, and is informed of something, then "Washington…
Of course I understand that the auto industry is not literally in Detroit, but the fact that the auto industry is constantly referred to by the name of the city they ruined is...upsetting to me.
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
and on your car, if it does any of those things wrong, and you don't correct it (because you are paying less attention, and reacting quick enough would be an impossibility), who is to blame?
We're rapidly heading toward this very "interesting" time where cars will have (indeed, some high-end cars are very close today) assistive systems, especially for highway driving, that really don't require drivers to pay much attention. It is absolutely guaranteed that people will start reading books and watching movies when they're nominally driving even though they're legally responsible. The manufacturers will fal…
This is what scares me most about self-driving cars. The "last mile" of making them self-driving is by far the hardest part (Google's engineers have stated that they're at least 10 years out, and that is admittedly an optimistic estimate), so I think this is an era we'll be stuck in for quite some time.
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#47I don't understand why everyone keeps pretending there's a smooth continuum: "He says they contain GM’s road map to autonomy, starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, and finally “Car in charge” in 2025." That just doesn't make sense. To my mind, there's "cruise control" as it exists today, and "car drives itself completely and sa…
Detroit is a little more willing to build killing people into its business model. Hence the 30,000+ death toll on the roads for the past century, their big push in the 1990s to replace lightweight cars with big heavy SUVs, and their present push to build big automated distraction screens into the middle of cars.
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Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#48Autoplaying unrelated ad video with music, half way down the page (well out of sight when the audio starts) with no way to stop it apart from clicking on the ad. That's it, I've had enough of you internet, I'm going to use a adblocker. I really tried to give you a chance. I tried to let you do the right thing and show polite respectful ads. I understand that you need to make money, and I wanted to let you show your a…
I think we need an alternative to ad blocking.
I'd like to be warned "if you follow this link you'll go to a site that is know to use auto-playing audio, are you sure?", preferably a purely visual warning rather than one that requires extra clicks if I do interact with the link.
That way they don't even count me as a visitor, never mind an advert impression.
Of course writing add-ins to do that, populating the database, protecting the data from malicious updates, and so forth, would not be a quick one-off job. This is one of the (many) items on my list of stuff to do if I ever develop infinite free time...
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're rapidly heading toward this very "interesting" time where cars will have (indeed, some high-end cars are very close today) assistive systems, especially for highway driving, that really don't require drivers to pay much attention. It is absolutely guaranteed that people will start reading books and watching movies when they're nominally driving even though they're legally responsible. The manufacturers will fal…
This is what scares me most about self-driving cars. The "last mile" of making them self-driving is by far the hardest part (Google's engineers have stated that they're at least 10 years out, and that is admittedly an optimistic estimate), so I think this is an era we'll be stuck in for quite some time.
There's a really good video of a John Leonard talk at CMU on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5CZmlaMNCs
He basically took video of his commute in the Boston area over the course of a few weeks and pulled out snippets of situations that would be really difficult for an AI. IMO, a lot of people are far too eager to extrapolate from works-mostly under a controlled set of conditions to letting AI cars loose on the road in a wide variety of real-world conditions.
Even if you accept that we'll never have perfection (and humans certainly aren't), you do have to get to a point where serious failures are fairly rare events as they are with driving today in the context of the millions of road miles driven.
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#50This is funny "starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, anded,. finally “Car in charge” in 2025." Given what Google has already demonstrated, its more likely we will see fully autonomous within 5 years. I'm betting less than that in a few test cities. So probably too late already for "Detroit"
Are you seriously suggesting that, in just five years, you'll be able to go to your computer and order yourself a car that will drive itself to your house in an arbitrary US city? (Because, if we're going to have 100% autonomous cars, we might as well assume that we've totally revamped the whole automobile distribution system too.) Even the "car in charge" in 2025 seems ridiculously optimistic even if the problem is…
Yes.
I think maybe in 1-2 cities in limited areas I will be able to use an app on my phone to order a Google car from point A to B. I think it will have lots of limits, perhaps limited to certain areas within a city, perhaps limited by speeds, time of day etc.
I don't think it will be long distance, most cities won't have it, highways later, etc.