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VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #59

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Earned? Accrued maybe, but I don't think earned is the appropriate word.

It was earned in the same sense that any income or salary is earned. It's agreed upon payment exchanged for an agreed upon service. It was just as much a part of his compensation as his base salary.

The implication is that he did not deliver agreed-upon services.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was earned in the same sense that any income or salary is earned. It's agreed upon payment exchanged for an agreed upon service. It was just as much a part of his compensation as his base salary.

The implication is that he did not deliver agreed-upon services.

It's extremely uncommon to have to pay back compensation when one is fired.

The board has the option of denying the severance entirely if they think that he did not deliver the requested services.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #47

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Polluting the environment kills people too.

And CO2 kills also people. VW's cars had far lower CO2 emissions than competitors.

That remains to be seen. CO2 is fairly innocuous, and already makes up a large percent of the volume of air. It's theorized that it leads to climate change (that being said, 8000 years ago Europe was also in an ice age, yet it thawed without mankind's help), but for the present time the amount of deaths that can be directly blamed on CO2 from cars (remember, people and animals create more CO2 than vehicles) is non-existent. Even if mankind's CO2 use does tip the scale enough to definitively kill millions, more CO2 is produced from power plants, ships, industrial ranching and burning forests than is produced by cars (especially VW cars).

On the other hand, the other gases released by diesel-burning automobiles do show direct health consequences, and VW has done the most to propagate diesel vehicles...

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #55

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you're way off http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-vw-pollution-footprint... http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-estimate-the-death-to... while pollution will affects almost everyone on earth, the cumulative effect is not that much and pollution is not a major cause for deaths to begin with http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.wrapper.ENVHEALTH3?lang=en...

From your link: > At present, outdoor air pollution kills in excess of 3 million people every year, and automobile exhaust is a significant part of the problem. Are you talking about this bit? > the harmful nitrogen oxides emitted by Volkswagen’s affected diesel vehicles – which the US Environmental Agency claims were 40 times higher than the legal level – could be responsible for as many as 106 deaths in the US betw…

600 000 premature deaths and of the diseases caused by air pollution in the WHO European Region in 2010

http://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centre/sections/press-relea...

Some percebtage by car, of which some percentage by diesel cars, of which some are wv, of which some have defeat devices.

Edit: sorry totally misread parent post

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #55

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From your link: > At present, outdoor air pollution kills in excess of 3 million people every year, and automobile exhaust is a significant part of the problem. Are you talking about this bit? > the harmful nitrogen oxides emitted by Volkswagen’s affected diesel vehicles – which the US Environmental Agency claims were 40 times higher than the legal level – could be responsible for as many as 106 deaths in the US betw…

600 000 premature deaths and of the diseases caused by air pollution in the WHO European Region in 2010 http://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centre/sections/press-relea... Some percebtage by car, of which some percentage by diesel cars, of which some are wv, of which some have defeat devices. Edit: sorry totally misread parent post

> hundreds thousands death caused by the pollition increase from the defeating device

I didn't claim that.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #57
post #5

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Some of them will need new hardware to reduce NOx emissions in real-world driving conditions.

No other car makers get their emissions tested in real-world driving conditions, so that's irrelevant.

They do now.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20150929/OEM04/150929814/gms... new-diesel-pickups-first-to-get-extra-scrutiny-from-epa-carb

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #63
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And CO2 kills also people. VW's cars had far lower CO2 emissions than competitors.

That remains to be seen. CO2 is fairly innocuous, and already makes up a large percent of the volume of air. It's theorized that it leads to climate change (that being said, 8000 years ago Europe was also in an ice age, yet it thawed without mankind's help), but for the present time the amount of deaths that can be directly blamed on CO2 from cars (remember, people and animals create more CO2 than vehicles) is non-ex…

> CO2 is fairly innocuous, and already makes up a large percent of the volume of air.

397 ppm, to be exact, or 0.0397%.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #63
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And CO2 kills also people. VW's cars had far lower CO2 emissions than competitors.

That remains to be seen. CO2 is fairly innocuous, and already makes up a large percent of the volume of air. It's theorized that it leads to climate change (that being said, 8000 years ago Europe was also in an ice age, yet it thawed without mankind's help), but for the present time the amount of deaths that can be directly blamed on CO2 from cars (remember, people and animals create more CO2 than vehicles) is non-ex…

> CO2 is fairly innocuous, and already makes up a large percent of the volume of air.

Its fairly innocuous at naturally occurring levels, which are not a "large percent" of the air. Nitrogen, Oxygen, and -- if you want to be extremely generous and say that "almost 1%" is "a large percent" -- Argon are the only things that have a remotely plausible case for being a large percent of the atmosphere, and together make up around 99.9%.

Carbon dioxide makes up a large percent of the remaining ~0.1%, but...

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #62

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The implication is that he did not deliver agreed-upon services.

It's extremely uncommon to have to pay back compensation when one is fired. The board has the option of denying the severance entirely if they think that he did not deliver the requested services.

I'm sure legally he's entitled to the money.

That does not imply he did his job properly.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication is that he did not deliver agreed-upon services.

It's extremely uncommon to have to pay back compensation when one is fired. The board has the option of denying the severance entirely if they think that he did not deliver the requested services.

> It's extremely uncommon to have to pay back compensation when one is fired.

I'd imagine it's extremely uncommon to incur $18B in fines, either.

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