"the notion that America can close the learning gap with China or India..." Indian and Chinese students in America do as well or better than Indian and Chinese students in their home countries on any measure you'd like to name. For that matter the same is true of Mexican students in the US vs. in Mexico, European students in the US vs. in Europe, etc.
the learning benefit could be because of the change of scenery, not because one side is better
More parents, students saying 'no' to homework
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Re: More parents, students saying 'no' to homework
#42Re: More parents, students saying 'no' to homework
#43I learned the most from doing homework and studying for tests. In class I mostly daydreamed and didn't pay attention to much.
I made it through several years of a liberal arts degree with a 3.5+ GPA by showing up to lectures and doing the bare minimum required on assignments. I did very little homework. Mostly, I showed up and paid attention to the lectures. I felt they were the most singular part of the college experience that I was not likely to find elsewhere, they were generally interesting, and you could, if you were lazy like I was, skip most of the required reading if you paid attention to what the professor said.
High school was different, the teachers are focused on orienting you toward the material in a more remedial fashion and classroom time was, at least for me, an exercise in boredom and frustration. Students also don't necessarily know how to learn at this age, and some need a lot of step by step guidance and repetition. Some students require personal attention from the teacher. Most of the coursework is covered outside of class, in the homework.
For highly technical topics there is no substitute for homework - you need to drill to make the material your own. For more subjective subjects, however, there is little reason to do a lot of work outside class unless the teacher is particularly bad or overloaded with needy students, or you have an exceptional passion for the material.
Re: More parents, students saying 'no' to homework
#44I see several issues with the ideas presented here. Firstly, the idea that a parent should have control over homework in any capacity seems like a misguided idea. Secondly, the article dances around ideas but never touches on the importance of the content of the homework. Not all worksheets are created equal and it follows that neither are all hours spent at home working. There are big differences from a pedagogical…
Firstly, the idea that a parent should have control over homework in any capacity seems like a misguided idea. Why, may I ask? It seems intuitive to me that the school's influence over the student ends when class is over and they return back to their families. And regarding standardization in education - that is what leads to a regression to the lowest common denominator (see the non-religious criticism directed at c…
For the second point, I think we agree just have an impedance mismatch. When I speak of educational standardization I'm not talking to the idea that every kid takes home the same worksheets. Instead it's the idea that teachers have a better pool of tools and resources so they can address the needs to the students. In a perfect world we can have class sizes at ~10 (I think there is value in learning community that you lose if you take it much smaller than that) segregated by student ability. However, lacking the funding and push for that, these tools could be used to help teachers fully meet the needs of these larger class sizes as well as make the entire process more transparent.
Re: More parents, students saying 'no' to homework
#45Such as learning how to play and interact with others. Learn how to deal with adversity. How to deal with the sadness of a break up or not being included. Learning how to lead a team via Counter Strike or WOW. Learning computers by writing a mod for a favorite computer game.
These things taught me far more than a worksheet on a very idealized version of the events that led to the American Revolution.
And on a different note the idea of a lecture in class followed by homework at home seems silly to me. Lectures are easy to scale so a child can learn from the best of the best in the world(With explanatory graphics). Tailored tutoring to the issues a child is having while trying to solve problems and understand a concept is very hard to scale. It seems to me it would make more sense to watch lectures outside of the classroom and do homework in the classroom.
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#46Re: More parents, students saying 'no' to homework
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll preface this response with the acknowledgement that the world is not ideal, and there are some fundamental problems underlying how classes are structured (largely due to the fact that evaluations are based on the achievement of the lowest performers) which poses institutional obstacles to efficient work assignments. That being said, given the (in practice flawed) assumption that the work being assigned is someth…
it's a disservice to say some other home life takes higher priority than education Schooling is not education, only a facsimile of it.
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#48Hmm. The article alludes to some studies that back up their point, but, anecdotally, I think I got more out of doing homework than I did out of sitting in class...
This right here is the core of a world of problems. Data contradicts gut feeling. Data must be wrong.
As a counter argument, doing homework can easily train people to do thing wrong thing which takes a lot of effort to correct.
That does not preclude doing. In many cases mixing in 'homework' with class work is probably a much better use of time. AKA ask everyone what 57+49 is give them 30 seconds. Collect answers. Fix errors. Repeat.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not being a parent, I don't know what it's like now, but high school was by far the busiest and most stressful time in my life. I saw an average of 2-3 hours of homework per night, after 1.5 hours commuting, 8 hours at school, and 2-3 hours at sports practice. On an average day, that leaves an hour for breakfast/dinner and 8.5 hours for sleep; multiple nights in a row of 4-5 hours of sleep and no other breaks were no…
If only there was something in there that could be easily cut and is significantly less important than homework...
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Firstly, the idea that a parent should have control over homework in any capacity seems like a misguided idea Full disclosure I'm a parent so biased. However with that said I know more about my child's workload than the teacher. The teacher knows how much homework they assign for "their" class. They don't know what the other classes assign. What extra curricular activities require or what chores the child has at home…
I'll preface this response with the acknowledgement that the world is not ideal, and there are some fundamental problems underlying how classes are structured (largely due to the fact that evaluations are based on the achievement of the lowest performers) which poses institutional obstacles to efficient work assignments. That being said, given the (in practice flawed) assumption that the work being assigned is someth…
The crux of this problem is that time spent in school is poorly spent for a host of reasons. If you child spends close to 7 hours at school and none of that time was available for the work that is expected to be done at home then that imposes an undue burden on the child and the family.
Rather than insisting that the needs of a schools poor use of time should supersede the families needs perhaps the solution is to fix the poor use of time instead.