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New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

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Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

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Post by avar »

ownagefool wrote: post #32
NameNickHN wrote: post #13

This is not surprising but I fail to see the downside. The internet is complex already. The new top level domains won't add much to that. I think that there was no end-user demand whatsoever for more so-called DNS extensions, [or] global generic top-level domains (gTLDs)," he said. I run a lot of websites and it was a pain to find good domain names in the last 15 years. With all the new TLDs that problem is completel…

You could also just get people to give up the TLDs they're not using. I find it somewhat depressing that emailing folks about domain names they're not using results in either a) being ignored or b) being asked to pay $40,000. I'm of the view if you're sitting on names that you're keeping around exclusively because you think they could net you a windfall in the future then you're a bit of an internet twat.

You could say the same about holding on to property you're not using, but people resist the obvious solution: higher property tax, or in the case of domains higher yearly fees.

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

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Post by calinet6 »

ownagefool wrote: post #32
NameNickHN wrote: post #13

This is not surprising but I fail to see the downside. The internet is complex already. The new top level domains won't add much to that. I think that there was no end-user demand whatsoever for more so-called DNS extensions, [or] global generic top-level domains (gTLDs)," he said. I run a lot of websites and it was a pain to find good domain names in the last 15 years. With all the new TLDs that problem is completel…

You could also just get people to give up the TLDs they're not using. I find it somewhat depressing that emailing folks about domain names they're not using results in either a) being ignored or b) being asked to pay $40,000. I'm of the view if you're sitting on names that you're keeping around exclusively because you think they could net you a windfall in the future then you're a bit of an internet twat.

The high price was an excellent sign that they were overly scarce (for an otherwise limitless resource), and that more were needed.

I think the new gTLDs are great. Most of them aren't exorbitantly expensive, and generally speaking they free you up to have an address on the big wild internet that makes way more sense than the contrived naming conventions we resorted to using in the past (eg: get[???].com, [???]app.com, both of which I can think of prime, famous examples in real world use). Is [???].app really better? Yeah, probably.

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

#43

Post by calinet6 »

coldpie wrote: post #38
nvk wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest problem is phishing, bad actors send emails from the slightly off TLD.

Our IT guy has actually just blackholed all mail from any of the new TLDs. I don't know exactly what he did, but I suspect it's just a whitelist containing "TLDs from before the Great TLD Expansion." I don't think I've ever seen a legitimate website from one of the new TLDs, and to be honest I'm still suspicious of most country code TLDs. The new TLDs are a massive problem disguised as a solution in search of a probl…

They change almost nothing. We had many TLDs before, we have many TLDs now. Any system not designed to be resilient to many TLDs and multiple ways of reaching an IP is the real problem.

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

#44

Post by coldpie »

calinet6 wrote: post #43
coldpie wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our IT guy has actually just blackholed all mail from any of the new TLDs. I don't know exactly what he did, but I suspect it's just a whitelist containing "TLDs from before the Great TLD Expansion." I don't think I've ever seen a legitimate website from one of the new TLDs, and to be honest I'm still suspicious of most country code TLDs. The new TLDs are a massive problem disguised as a solution in search of a probl…

They change almost nothing. We had many TLDs before, we have many TLDs now. Any system not designed to be resilient to many TLDs and multiple ways of reaching an IP is the real problem.

There's some spectrum of legitimacy, perhaps unfair. When I see ".com" I know it's a website. When I see ".co" I think I'm being phished. When I see ".software" I'm confused. When I see ".ninja" I wonder what the heck is going on.

Who benefits?

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

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Post by bhartzer »

ownagefool wrote: post #32
NameNickHN wrote: post #13

This is not surprising but I fail to see the downside. The internet is complex already. The new top level domains won't add much to that. I think that there was no end-user demand whatsoever for more so-called DNS extensions, [or] global generic top-level domains (gTLDs)," he said. I run a lot of websites and it was a pain to find good domain names in the last 15 years. With all the new TLDs that problem is completel…

You could also just get people to give up the TLDs they're not using. I find it somewhat depressing that emailing folks about domain names they're not using results in either a) being ignored or b) being asked to pay $40,000. I'm of the view if you're sitting on names that you're keeping around exclusively because you think they could net you a windfall in the future then you're a bit of an internet twat.

>> You could also just get people to give up the TLDs they're not using.

I think you're confused, and probably mean "give up the domains" they're not using. Not "give up the TLDs".

This is not a viable option, though. Even though someone may think they're not using the domain, there's a good chance they could be using it (like using it for email even though the a record doesn't resolve to anything) or they could be using it as an investment.

Asking someone to give up a domain that "they're not using" is like asking someone to give up the vacant lot they're not using. It's real estate.

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

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Post by bhartzer »

jeremyjh wrote: post #29
NameNickHN wrote: post #13

This is not surprising but I fail to see the downside. The internet is complex already. The new top level domains won't add much to that. I think that there was no end-user demand whatsoever for more so-called DNS extensions, [or] global generic top-level domains (gTLDs)," he said. I run a lot of websites and it was a pain to find good domain names in the last 15 years. With all the new TLDs that problem is completel…

It is a shakedown. Companies already have to buy their trademark domains on multiple TLD just to avoid litigating them constantly. Now they will have to buy them on hundreds of TLD. Doesn't it mean anything that registrars were the only people asking for this?

There is absolutely no reason for a company to "have to buy them on hundreds of TLDs". That's absurd. But this is why we have the URDP system in place. If someone does actually purchase a domain that includes your trademark, you have options like sending a C&D or using the UDRP system.

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

#47

Post by bhartzer »

gaius wrote: post #28
rtpg wrote: post #3

I understand that the current situation is a bit of a money grab, but what is the rational for TLDs not being arbitrary in the first place? Isn't it all just letters anyways?

I am old enough to remember when .com .net and .org really did mean what they said. Now only .edu and .mil do.

But that's changing. We have closed TLDs like .NYC, whereas you have to have an address in that geographical area to own one of those.

And we have .bank launching, you have to actually be a financial institution in order to have a .bank domain.

We will be able to trust those new TLDs, this is all changing back (to the way it should be).

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

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Post by ca98am79 »

ownagefool wrote: post #32
NameNickHN wrote: post #13

This is not surprising but I fail to see the downside. The internet is complex already. The new top level domains won't add much to that. I think that there was no end-user demand whatsoever for more so-called DNS extensions, [or] global generic top-level domains (gTLDs)," he said. I run a lot of websites and it was a pain to find good domain names in the last 15 years. With all the new TLDs that problem is completel…

You could also just get people to give up the TLDs they're not using. I find it somewhat depressing that emailing folks about domain names they're not using results in either a) being ignored or b) being asked to pay $40,000. I'm of the view if you're sitting on names that you're keeping around exclusively because you think they could net you a windfall in the future then you're a bit of an internet twat.

What do you propose as the alternative? Should the first person who wants to use the domain get it? What if their project isn't used much or they stop maintaining it? What if it really sucks? What if they have plans to use it but they haven't done anything for years?

There isn't a good alternative to the way it currently works. Allowing domain owners to sell their domains results in domains going to those companies that are successful enough to afford them.

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

#49

Post by toast0 »

bhartzer wrote: post #46
jeremyjh wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a shakedown. Companies already have to buy their trademark domains on multiple TLD just to avoid litigating them constantly. Now they will have to buy them on hundreds of TLD. Doesn't it mean anything that registrars were the only people asking for this?

There is absolutely no reason for a company to "have to buy them on hundreds of TLDs". That's absurd. But this is why we have the URDP system in place. If someone does actually purchase a domain that includes your trademark, you have options like sending a C&D or using the UDRP system.

Using the udrp system is expensive, it's less expensive to just give in and lease example.bike and example.sexy and example.ninja, rather than let someone else get it and fight them over it when it happens.

Re: New top-level domains a money grab and a mistake: Paul Vixie

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Post by icebraining »

coldpie wrote: post #44
calinet6 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They change almost nothing. We had many TLDs before, we have many TLDs now. Any system not designed to be resilient to many TLDs and multiple ways of reaching an IP is the real problem.

There's some spectrum of legitimacy, perhaps unfair. When I see ".com" I know it's a website. When I see ".co" I think I'm being phished. When I see ".software" I'm confused. When I see ".ninja" I wonder what the heck is going on. Who benefits?

You, by forcing you to question your prejudices regarding TLDs?
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