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Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by dudul »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #49
dudul wrote: post #45

The only good thing about this "refugees crisis" is that it could finally cause the implosion and the end of the EU. This corrupted blob in which representatives are barely elected has to go away.

And replaced by what? A more divided Europe? I know UE is not the United Federation of Planets, but at least it is a step towards it.

What was wrong with sovereign nations?

A step towards what? This is the big scam of the 21st century. People think that big blobs are stronger than smaller, more focused and cohesive entities. Smaller countries all over the world are doing just fine.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by matt4077 »

jmorphy88 wrote: post #38
dattl wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, don't be a dick. You're exactly like a child that cries because the others get "more" and it's so unfair. Boohoo.

It's hardly "being a dick" to expect his government to provide better for its own citizens than it does for foreigners.

He's comparing apples to orange tic tacs. Germany provides 140€ per month in cash to asylum seekers plus accommodation (usually a shared dorm room). He's in "a poorer European country" and apparently earns less. He's ignoring costs of living. 140€ is a pittance in Germany. It is much less than pensioners or unemployed get. I spend 3x as much on food.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by michaelbuddy »

gambiting wrote: post #29
sccxy wrote: post #22

I'm living in one of poor EU countries. I earn less money than they pay for refugees. Our pensioners get less money than these 'refugees' with Armani clothing...

All this statement means is that your pensioners should be getting more money, not that refugees should be getting less. Likewise, you should be making more money than you do, if your income is lower than refugee support money. I see this argument repeated ad nauseam and it's really upsetting, because it's basically saying that other people should have it worse for the sake of having it worse.

You do realize where money comes from right? That the refugees get any thing when actual tax, social security, disability was paid into by citizens for citizens and even if it was as available as you think it should be, the citizens are having their money funneled and real estate taken from them in ways that are unsettling and downright disgraceful.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by matt4077 »

jonesb6 wrote: post #9
__m wrote: post #5

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worse than getting killed by a bomb?

I'd be curious to see the percentage of migrants/refugees that are coming from war-torn regions such as Syria. My understanding is that many come from North Africa or elsewhere. Granted violence is also very high in these areas and the economic situation can be nearly as detrimental to quality of life.

I volunteer in a refugee center. Right now about 70% of the people arriving are from Syria. Most others are from Iraq and Afghanistan. If you look at statistics, remember that they often lag behind and currently show a large percentage of refugees from Albania, although that wave happened early in the year and has largely passed.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by michaelbuddy »

cabalamat wrote: post #48
jmorphy88 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hardly "being a dick" to expect his government to provide better for its own citizens than it does for foreigners.

But it's not his government, it's the German government. How Germany chooses to spend its money is a matter for the German people, and not anyone else.

That may have been the case before the EU and the euro but now it appears that he should have a voice in the greater European continent. Also is it not essential that they all raise each others livelihood before giving massive amounts of cash towards non citizens? I think Japan has it right in this case regardless of what the guardian and other liberal media want to cram down everyone's throat.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by [deleted] »

programmernews3 wrote: post #46
tdkl wrote: post #44

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Don't be a dick indeed, work more, so you can earn more and pay more taxes for the immigrants (if they were refugees they would stay whereever help was offered instead of storming to Germany), because those loans won't pay by itself and USA, IMF and the banks surely won't write that off. Right now my country is stormed by them and can barely keep up. Schengen is a joke, same as the EU. This will probably be down vote…

Just remember to keep paying your taxes, which will increase, and dont complain if your standard of living goes down, your hospitals and schools are overcrowded, or your children cannot afford a tiny apartment.

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Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by Cenk »

sccxy wrote: post #22

I'm living in one of poor EU countries. I earn less money than they pay for refugees. Our pensioners get less money than these 'refugees' with Armani clothing...

— What refugees wear does not matter. Even if they all wore genuine Armani clothing, what are they supposed to do? Sell all their clothes and buy cheaper brands before they flee? Your idea that a person who doesn’t look destitute or poor enough should not be regarded as a refugee shows how little you understand what a refugee is. The people fleeing to Europe are from all kinds of backgrounds, including workers, the middle class and highly skilled professionals. When a war breaks out and a city is destroyed, the middle class doesn’t stay behind. They sell their houses, cars and anything else they can and spend upwards of $10K to make it to somewhere safe.

— I’m sure refugees in your country get less money than pensioners, just as they do in Germany. Are you saying that Germany should give refugees less money than any pensioner in the EU gets?

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by TeMPOraL »

dudul wrote: post #51
TeMPOraL wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And replaced by what? A more divided Europe? I know UE is not the United Federation of Planets, but at least it is a step towards it.

What was wrong with sovereign nations? A step towards what? This is the big scam of the 21st century. People think that big blobs are stronger than smaller, more focused and cohesive entities. Smaller countries all over the world are doing just fine.

A step towards unified global government, one day, hopefully. You don't need sovereign nations to reap benefits of distribution, and some things are really better centralized (I'd agree that centralization may be the big scam of the 20th century - decentralization is the scam of 21st. People somehow forget that decentralized usually means very wasteful.).

UE is an example of a "blob" that is not much more focused or cohesive than individual nations were, but it seems at least like a step in the right direction.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by nikolak »

raverbashing wrote: post #24
sccxy wrote: post #22

I'm living in one of poor EU countries. I earn less money than they pay for refugees. Our pensioners get less money than these 'refugees' with Armani clothing...

I can understand the sentiment However, for those who want to work in Berlin (or somewhere else) can apply for a German Blue Card (usually you apply for jobs hen the company gets you one), shouldn't be too hard

I'm from a European, but not an EU member country, and I got offered a senior software developer job in Germany. I applied for a 12 month work visa, even signed a statement that I will return when it expires, and it got denied.

So yes in theory it's "easy", but in practice it isn't always like that. (To be fair you're talking about Blue Card which I didn't apply for because I've heard it's bit harder to get since it's usually issued for period longer than 12 months)

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