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Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by Shivetya »

aikah wrote: post #12
chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

> I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. This. The elephant in the room. It is insanely difficult to migrate legally to most European countries. I would say something else to the people that encourage others to basically enter Europe illegally to go to Germany. There are people, in refugee camps, in Lebanon or Turkey, that want to…

Well this is the problem any country with a large illegal immigrant population faces. Far too many in the political establishment don't want to be perceived as mean spirited and deport or block the illegals yet the unintended consequence is that those who seek legal immigration are harmed as are those who already are either citizens and recent immigrants as the pool of assistance monies and goods is diminished.

This is also a result of the current view to not interfere enough to fix the situation these illegal and legal immigrants face at home. Nation building has fallen out of favor and the result in anarchy is many parts of the world. Violence goes unchecked and with lax to no enforcement people risk their lives to get somewhere else and will try to get where the best support system exists.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by detaro »

comrh wrote: post #25
chippy wrote: post #2

The project about page is here: http://arriving-in-berlin.de/

This has the arabic and persian(I think?) versions. It confused me why it would be in english at first.

English is probably the best "common source" that things are translated from/to

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by lispm »

chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

Germany was struggling with the reunification, having added 20 Million people from a collapsed country, the German Democratic Republic. That was difficult enough.

Currently there are no special labor restrictions for EU citizens in Germany.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by sabertoothed »

tonomics wrote: post #18
chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

You raise an interesting point, but the refugee 'crisis' is not driven by rationality, history, culture or even morality. It's a sad, numb and nihilistic political game.

Why is that?

I am German - and I support the acceptance of refugees because of rationality, history, culture and especially morality.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by XzetaU8 »

jonesb6 wrote: post #9
__m wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

worse than getting killed by a bomb?

I'd be curious to see the percentage of migrants/refugees that are coming from war-torn regions such as Syria. My understanding is that many come from North Africa or elsewhere. Granted violence is also very high in these areas and the economic situation can be nearly as detrimental to quality of life.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6996925/3-180...

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by distances »

This is a bit offtopic, but Berlin is really beautifully mapped in OSM. In places the details are more than what I would have ever thought of, for example the individual pillars of the Holocaust Memorial: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/arriving-in-berlin-a-map...

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by Brakenshire »

chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

I really don't know what you're referring to. How have Eastern/Central EU migrants been denied access to German labour markets?

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by jmorphy88 »

dattl wrote: post #30
sccxy wrote: post #22

I'm living in one of poor EU countries. I earn less money than they pay for refugees. Our pensioners get less money than these 'refugees' with Armani clothing...

Come on, don't be a dick. You're exactly like a child that cries because the others get "more" and it's so unfair. Boohoo.

It's hardly "being a dick" to expect his government to provide better for its own citizens than it does for foreigners.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by racl101 »

dattl wrote: post #30
sccxy wrote: post #22

I'm living in one of poor EU countries. I earn less money than they pay for refugees. Our pensioners get less money than these 'refugees' with Armani clothing...

Come on, don't be a dick. You're exactly like a child that cries because the others get "more" and it's so unfair. Boohoo.

Yes how dare he complain?!

He pays taxes so some other non-contributing zero can reap all the rewards.

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