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YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by kllrnohj »

scrollaway wrote: post #49
simonh wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get the same vides everyone else does, which is all that matters when you're considering whether to take out a Red subscription or not.

Just because Google is forcing everybody's hand doesn't mean everybody will follow suit. My channel certainly won't, simply because I don't like how they're doing this - to hell if I lose viewership because of it. PS: downvotes for facts without any actual explanation is really lame.

Is your channel even a "partner" channel? If it's just a regular channel you don't get asked, you are just part of the new thing.

And what about this do you not like specifically? Are you unhappy that they didn't wine & dine you?

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Post by kllrnohj »

Splendor wrote: post #69

That's unfortunate because not all partners are able to agree to the new terms. Some of them have passed away. It saddens me to think that their videos will now be hidden because of a change in policy.

Either someone else now has authority over the estate such as to continue to be collecting a check from YouTube, or the channel is no longer a partner channel and just is automatically part of the new system. I don't think any channels will just go dark because the original owner passed away.

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Post by jonas21 »

falcolas wrote: post #53
praxulus wrote: post #15

Is there any good reason for content creators to refuse to sign? It sounds like they earn just as much money, so what's the issue? Sure, being forced to sign a contract is lame, but the new contract doesn't seem to harm them in any way.

> It sounds like they earn just as much money, so what's the issue? If you produce content which is of average or above length. If you produce short but informative videos, you will end up penalized under the revenue sharing model. It's also unclear what happens to your share of revenue if you have sponsored content.

> If you produce short but informative videos, you will end up penalized under the revenue sharing model.

I'm not sure that's true. The revenue split is based on total watch time, so shorter videos will make less per view. However, short informative videos would presumably tend to be more popular than long, uninformative videos, leading to a much larger view count and a greater total watch time.

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Post by ekimekim »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #65

Youtube has become stupidly aggressive with its video ads in my region. To the point I actually try to avoid using it. I will also consciously avoid all companies who think that it is acceptable to interrupt randomly people with their messages. I am fine with overlay ads and I would have been positively influenced with the same ads in overlay form that now are forced on me as video ads. Sorry, but this is a short ter…

Youtube is one of very, very few sites I run adblock on for this reason. I'm fine with ads, as long as they aren't actively blocking content.

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Post by awalton »

burkaman wrote: post #25
milge wrote: post #4

If there's ever a time to build a youtube competitor or promote your own, now would be it.

This seems like it would be the worst time to launch a competitor. You'd be saying "check out this new site, it's like YouTube but we brought back the ads". If this new contract is actually an issue, it'll still take a little while for people to understand the downsides, and that's when you want to launch your "creator-friendly YouTube" or whatever.

Or you can do what https://www.vessel.com/ is doing and be subscription first and work out deals with producers for short-term exclusivity.

Honestly, I can't understand why anyone would take their content to YouTube exclusively right now given how hostile Google has become.

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

ars wrote: post #12
bargl wrote: post #5

I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…

Yah, Google did the right thing here. You can't say "this service has no ads, then include ads", and you can't say "if you subscribe you see less videos". They really had no other good choice except force them to sign up, or loose revenue sharing status.

I think it will make YouTube much smaller - if a channel has been abandoned then content is also gone. Too bad, I like to see lectures and documentaries, or some old and forgotten music, so all this will also go ...

Maybe they want all the rarely viewed videos gone so that they can cut on storage costs?

Also if you ripped and posted some old disk then you are not holding any rights so this content is also gone.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by mmanfrin »

dogma1138 wrote: post #43
bargl wrote: post #5

I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…

I have a feeling that this is a "Kinect" moment for Google and they'll reverse the decision in a few days. The potential backlash is just too big, if you don't sign up you do not get revenue from the views that will push pretty much any YT contributor to sign the deal if the amount of YT subscribers gets even to single digits as a percentage of the total YT userbase. Not all views are equal already, views from non-we…

I'm reasonably certain that subscription paying viewers will earn the creators more per user than US-based free/ad customers, as is the case for Spotify.

This feels more like a 'we are switching, it will benefit everyone, but everyone needs to be on board or this wont work' move.

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Post by munificent »

Alupis wrote: post #38

> But the coercion involved It sets an alarming precedent about how This is supposed to be two sentences, or remove the "It" from the middle of the sentence. How is it obvious grammatical and spelling errors make their way into these articles (and seemingly more common now-days)? These are professional writers, with professional editing staff - however it often feels the article is a first-draft written in one go and…

> It makes it feel as-if the general quality of journalism is declining.

How much did you pay for a newspaper subscription thirty years ago? How much did you pay to read this article?

The quality of journalism is declining, because the money is disappearing. News providers are producing more and more content for less and less money. The only way they can do that is by cutting corners.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by corndoge »

bargl wrote: post #5

I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…

Option 7: Remove all pre-video ads from YouTube and return it to the way it was, dropping the idea of monetizing the world's largest creative platform.

Edit: False dichotomy. Monetization does not necessitate ads. But you get what I meant.

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