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YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by rspeer »

praxulus wrote: post #15

Is there any good reason for content creators to refuse to sign? It sounds like they earn just as much money, so what's the issue? Sure, being forced to sign a contract is lame, but the new contract doesn't seem to harm them in any way.

Zoe Keating, as an independent musician, held out for a while: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/27/zoe-keatin...

Her biggest objection was that Google was purporting to tell her when she could or couldn't release a new song on various music services. It seems they've backed down on that. Google claims they were never asking for that, while Keating claims they quietly changed the terms.

She also objects to Google dictating a very narrow range of options for how she interacts with people who use her music. She doesn't like the "stick ads on all of it" option that Google is steering her toward, because that's not a strong enough enough response to people who are using her music commercially without licensing it, but also she would rather not stick ads on her fans.

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Post by anon4 »

milge wrote: post #4

If there's ever a time to build a youtube competitor or promote your own, now would be it.

Yeah, unlike youtube who are giving you the option to remove ads, we'll put twice the ads on everything! Please invest in my startup, advee (it's like teevee, but with ads!).

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Post by Klathmon »

FussyZeus wrote: post #16

At this point all the content on youtube is corporate sponsored or belongs to a handful of super-creators that make all the ad revenue. Why they even call it "you" tube at this point is beyond me, should just go full sponsored content and be done with it. It's hilarious, open YouTube in a private window of your browser of choice, and look at what they serve up, try and find something that isn't from a media company,…

I just did (incognito window, vpn on) and i see several videos from creators with less than 1000 subscribers[1][2][3]. I'd say they aren't "super-creators"... In fact the 3rd one has only a handful of videos most of them with under 1000 views.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUKscPY5MjY0I8C1WMw-qSQ

[2]https://www.youtube.com/user/Internalsi

[3]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwJKPRUkv7IezEkaG7ClQ0g

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by silverbax88 »

comex wrote: post #11

It's harder for me to get upset at instances of alleged corporate bullying when the result is clearly pro-user. If YouTube allowed video authors to opt out of Red, their only reasonable option (short of turning into a charity for said authors) would be to show Red subscribers those videos with ads. For a user, a service that's only "mostly" ad-free is only a pale imitation of the real thing - especially if labels dec…

It's "pro user" unless it starts to limit new content, which is possible. Many videos are actually on YouTube without ads because they are stored as tutorials, etc. I get why Google wouldn't want to keep hosting them but it could mean a reduction in content.

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Post by burkaman »

milge wrote: post #4

If there's ever a time to build a youtube competitor or promote your own, now would be it.

This seems like it would be the worst time to launch a competitor. You'd be saying "check out this new site, it's like YouTube but we brought back the ads".

If this new contract is actually an issue, it'll still take a little while for people to understand the downsides, and that's when you want to launch your "creator-friendly YouTube" or whatever.

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Post by [deleted] »

lmedinas wrote: post #6
bargl wrote: post #5

I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…

All of these will probably mean Facebook might have an opportunity in Videos. Recently Youtube screwed up with Gaming which cannot compete even close with Twitch, older attempts to provide a premium service also failed now this is just pissing off everybody.

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Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by Bedon292 »

kej wrote: post #19

I'm actually kind of surprised that the YouTube terms of service require a new agreement and aren't structured in a way that would allow them to make changes like this unilaterally.

I think the revenue sharing parts probably don't allow for unilateral changes because it affects actual businesses. Even the top creators are businesses in and of themselves, which don't want to have the way they make a living taken out from under them.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by nickff »

rspeer wrote: post #17
JoshTriplett wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option 6: take advantage of whatever "we can change this agreement at any time" term in the partner agreement to just say "this is our new approach to getting revenue, and we'll give you a cut of that just like we give you a cut of ads".

I'm guessing that when large corporations sign agreements with each other, they don't include the clause "we can change this agreement at any time". Only powerless end-users are expected to agree to that one.

Most contracts without a specified end date or condition have some variation of that term, to allow for discontinuation of services/products, pricing changes and other issues. These terms often have some guarantee of advance notice before a change is made, but not always. Generally companies believe that their business partners/ suppliers/customers will act ethically; when your counterparty does act unethically, a contract is of little solace anyway.

A typical example of this type of contract would be a shipping contract, which usually does not guarantee pricing. Another example would be electronic components, which are well-specified, but whose mask (implementation on silicon) can be changed at any time (and notice may or may not be given).

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by FussyZeus »

Klathmon wrote: post #23
FussyZeus wrote: post #16

At this point all the content on youtube is corporate sponsored or belongs to a handful of super-creators that make all the ad revenue. Why they even call it "you" tube at this point is beyond me, should just go full sponsored content and be done with it. It's hilarious, open YouTube in a private window of your browser of choice, and look at what they serve up, try and find something that isn't from a media company,…

I just did (incognito window, vpn on) and i see several videos from creators with less than 1000 subscribers[1][2][3]. I'd say they aren't "super-creators"... In fact the 3rd one has only a handful of videos most of them with under 1000 views. [1] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUKscPY5MjY0I8C1WMw-qSQ [2] https://www.youtube.com/user/Internalsi [3] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwJKPRUkv7IezEkaG7ClQ0g

Wow, well done sir. I don't suppose you're at a location where the music mafia (a.k.a Vevo) wouldn't want their content going? I have no idea what those locations would be, just curious if maybe that's a factor.

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Post by peterwwillis »

burkaman wrote: post #25
milge wrote: post #4

If there's ever a time to build a youtube competitor or promote your own, now would be it.

This seems like it would be the worst time to launch a competitor. You'd be saying "check out this new site, it's like YouTube but we brought back the ads". If this new contract is actually an issue, it'll still take a little while for people to understand the downsides, and that's when you want to launch your "creator-friendly YouTube" or whatever.

You could wait for the problems to get worse to launch it, or you could offer a working platform now [if you had it] and switch to a totally-free model. As long as you have capital, burn through it to pay for everything until you have enough users. Then, after a year or two, introduce ads, or a subscription fee, or sell product placement or something.

I still don't get why product placement isn't used in place of ads. It could bring in tons of money, possibly more than ads, for the most popular youtube channels.

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