YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal
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#2Can we say this is the side effect of bringing something which people wanted, Ad free & subscription based service?
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#3We saw precisely this same argument before [1]. This isn't Youtube removing videos. This is labels playing brinksmanship games with Youtube over licensing terms, and Youtube isn't backing down.
Is this bullying behavior from Youtube? Maybe, maybe not. I'm disincentivized to believe so, based on the fact that the same argument came up in the same couched language just over a year ago.
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#4If there's ever a time to build a youtube competitor or promote your own, now would be it.
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#5I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service.
Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal.
Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads.
Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss.
Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and you as a paying customer now have access to all videos without ads.
Really, for Google it's a loose loose situation, someone is going to be pissed one way or another, or they loose money. What would you do? Eat the loss? Easy to say, but hard to do. So they picked the one that benefits both them and their paying users (if you ignore the fact that a portion of youtube is going to go dark) at the same time.
Option 5: move ad based content to a new medium that isn't youtube so that content creators aren't tied to a single service for hosting.... But I only mention that because this is Hacker News and it's what I think we'd all want to be done, but Google isn't going to create that service.
Edit:formatting, and if I see another option someone has in a subsequent comment I'll bubble it up.
Edit 2: From JoshTriplett https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10428378
Option 6: take advantage of whatever "we can change this agreement at any time" term in the partner agreement to just say "this is our new approach to getting revenue, and we'll give you a cut of that just like we give you a cut of ads".
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#6I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…
All of these will probably mean Facebook might have an opportunity in Videos. Recently Youtube screwed up with Gaming which cannot compete even close with Twitch, older attempts to provide a premium service also failed now this is just pissing off everybody.
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#7We saw precisely this same argument before [1]. This isn't Youtube removing videos. This is labels playing brinksmanship games with Youtube over licensing terms, and Youtube isn't backing down. Is this bullying behavior from Youtube? Maybe, maybe not. I'm disincentivized to believe so, based on the fact that the same argument came up in the same couched language just over a year ago. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/…
> This is labels playing brinksmanship games with Youtube
While labels certainly need taking down a peg, this isn't just about labels; much smaller channels can take part in the YouTube partner program. I've seen channels with just a few thousand subscribers get offered partner status.
That said, I don't see any issue with this; YouTube is offering an ad-free option, and that only works if it means no ads, not fewer ads.
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#8I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…
None of the options are good.
They could have a modified version of Option 2, which is make the ad supported videos discoverable if the user chooses to allow id. They could also have a button to 'tell the content creator to support ad free mode'. It would essentially spam them into supporting it though.
Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal
#9I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…
Option 6: take advantage of whatever "we can change this agreement at any time" term in the partner agreement to just say "this is our new approach to getting revenue, and we'll give you a cut of that just like we give you a cut of ads".
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#10If there's ever a time to build a youtube competitor or promote your own, now would be it.
While it can definitely be perceived as bullying, what reason would someone have not to want to support the new mode? They will get revenue from their content, and that revenue doesn't get killed by ad blockers either. Where is the down side?