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Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by Animats »

aidenn0 wrote: post #58
Animats wrote: post #51

Fruit sorting systems have been in production use for years. They're very impressive. Vision systems, AI, robotics, and the ability to handle huge quantities of produce. Here's a production scale apple sorting and packing system.[1] The part of the video for "big plant" shows the most automated version. Here's a system for sorting peas.[2] Each individual pea is inspected using computer vision. Each individual pea. A…

I think you underestimate the quality of a thousand hand sorters. That machine may replace on the order of a hundred hand sorters, but I doubt it's 1000.

6 metric tons of peas per hour per machine. The machine examines the pea from all sides while the pea is in free fall. A human would have to pick up each pea to do a comparable job. A kilogram of peas is about 4000 peas, so 1000 humans would each have to examine 24,000 peas per hour each, or 6 peas per second, to keep up.

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Post by compostor42 »

BuckRogers wrote: post #64
compostor42 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why is being white so important? What's the difference? Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition?

>Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition? What? You're insinuating we're going through a White Holocaust and I'm apologizing for it. You gotta be out of your mind. "Ethnic cleansing"??? Take a breath and realize you're comparing concentration camps to people mi…

You didn't answer the question:

You think it is okay to purposefully and systematically replace one ethnic group with another to achieve your political ends?

Your desire meets the UN's definition of genocide, congrats:

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

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Post by scientist »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #44
amelius wrote: post #2

I'm wondering what is so difficult about this task. I mean, all the "good" fruit looks almost the same, so recognizing it should be simple. Also, there's plenty of training material.

I used to develop food sorters. Color sorting is very simple in principle and much harder in practice. The main difficulties are good lighting, not shaking your cameras and optics to pieces and keeping the optics and lights clean. For fruit sorting in particular there is the very difficult task of conveying the fruit without damaging it. The best sorter in the world won't help you if it mangles the fruit. In my old l…

How big is this market?

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Post by kmicklas »

compostor42 wrote: post #57
BuckRogers wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Purposeful demographic replacement of white people to achieve political ends. Lovely. Why is being white so important? What's the difference? If the difference is no NRA, sounds like a decent trade to me.

>Why is being white so important? What's the difference? Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition?

Are you totally unaware of how blatantly racist this is?

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by sliverstorm »

vegabook wrote: post #62

Capital trumps labour, yet again. Talk about a brave new (terrible) world. How is anybody without amazing talent, IQ, and luck in the birth-location lottery, supposed to survive? How are these awful machines helping to advance the wellbeing of humanity? By destroying livelihoods for a few pennies cheaper bananas to those who can already afford to pay more?

How are these awful machines helping to advance the wellbeing of humanity?

Hypothetically, by freeing humanity from hard manual labor and making goods less costly.

Machines have a long history of advancing the wellbeing of humanity. The fire bow, wheel, pottery wheel, bicycle, ox cart, lever, ramp, plow... I could go on and on, from ancient to modern.

The modern textile industry is a much closer advancement, that made clothing manyfold more affordable and freed countless people from unforgiving constant manual labor.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by kmicklas »

vegabook wrote: post #62

Capital trumps labour, yet again. Talk about a brave new (terrible) world. How is anybody without amazing talent, IQ, and luck in the birth-location lottery, supposed to survive? How are these awful machines helping to advance the wellbeing of humanity? By destroying livelihoods for a few pennies cheaper bananas to those who can already afford to pay more?

The suffering this thing would cause is a failure of our economic and political systems... not the fault of technology.

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Post by compostor42 »

kmicklas wrote: post #74
compostor42 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why is being white so important? What's the difference? Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition?

Are you totally unaware of how blatantly racist this is?

You replied to the wrong person. Otherwise explain.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by ItsDeathball »

vegabook wrote: post #62

Capital trumps labour, yet again. Talk about a brave new (terrible) world. How is anybody without amazing talent, IQ, and luck in the birth-location lottery, supposed to survive? How are these awful machines helping to advance the wellbeing of humanity? By destroying livelihoods for a few pennies cheaper bananas to those who can already afford to pay more?

In the long run, humanity is better off if we're not paying people below minimum wage under the table to pick pears. If a portion of the surplus value generated by these awful machines can be captured and paid to the people they displace, those people can then do something they actually enjoy.

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Post by vegabook »

sliverstorm wrote: post #75
vegabook wrote: post #62

Capital trumps labour, yet again. Talk about a brave new (terrible) world. How is anybody without amazing talent, IQ, and luck in the birth-location lottery, supposed to survive? How are these awful machines helping to advance the wellbeing of humanity? By destroying livelihoods for a few pennies cheaper bananas to those who can already afford to pay more?

How are these awful machines helping to advance the wellbeing of humanity? Hypothetically, by freeing humanity from hard manual labor and making goods less costly. Machines have a long history of advancing the wellbeing of humanity. The fire bow, wheel, pottery wheel, bicycle, ox cart, lever, ramp, plow... I could go on and on, from ancient to modern. The modern textile industry is a much closer advancement, that mad…

That sorting fruit is "hard labour" is actually coincidental. The real skill is pattern recognition and dextrosity. Skills widely deployed by humans today. We're now on the cusp of destroying this, another whole class of human employability. I am not as confident as you that we can simply extrapolate the past ad infinitum (ie: the "we will adapt and flourish" dogma). It seems to me we're reaching some inflection points in the trend where real, painful adjustment will occur. Recall that the 19th century's "innovations" created vast misery then, and war for 50 years 50 years later, before we adjusted. For those of us (un)lucky enough to be alive today, the immediate future seems very bleak indeed. Thanks to thinking machines.

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Post by BuckRogers »

mason240 wrote: post #66
BuckRogers wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. The border has always been open for people to pass freely for centuries. Restricting border crossings would be a change in immigration policy. I don't think it's necessary.

And then we decided that having government, taxes, social programs, ect were necessary. You are free to feel otherwise, but the issue of society vs anarchy has been firmly resolved.

We already had gov't, taxes and social programs. It may not be apparent to you, but homesteading on indigenous lands was a social program. I'd love to see if you could make 4X the salary and 2X the quality of life by migrating to another country if you'd change your tune. I hope your rigid rules of society always apply to you and your descendants.

But I'm guessing you're ok with the folks who migrated to North America. Just not ok when those same people move around their own continent.

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