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Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by 13thLetter »

BuckRogers wrote: post #42
compostor42 wrote: post #36

Automation like this is why I call BS on the "we need more immigrants to keep the economy going!" folks. We will be struggling to keep our existing population employed. The last thing we want to do is import even more low-skilled labor who will soon be made redundant. Increasing automation means a declining population is a godsend rather than a problem. Policy makers must be aware of this. I suspect the call for incr…

You had me agreeing until the part about the NRA base going down with increased immigration. Now I'm all for it.

The government should dissolve the people and elect a new one, then? Even as a joke that's in very poor taste.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by vegabook »

Capital trumps labour, yet again. Talk about a brave new (terrible) world.

How is anybody without amazing talent, IQ, and luck in the birth-location lottery, supposed to survive?

How are these awful machines helping to advance the wellbeing of humanity? By destroying livelihoods for a few pennies cheaper bananas to those who can already afford to pay more?

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by compostor42 »

dalacv wrote: post #48
compostor42 wrote: post #36

Automation like this is why I call BS on the "we need more immigrants to keep the economy going!" folks. We will be struggling to keep our existing population employed. The last thing we want to do is import even more low-skilled labor who will soon be made redundant. Increasing automation means a declining population is a godsend rather than a problem. Policy makers must be aware of this. I suspect the call for incr…

Import? We are not importing them. They migrate here because there is work. If there is no work, they won't come over here. It is basic supply and demand that is controlling this.

From the perspective of the elites who encourage unchecked mass immigration to drive down labor costs and secure reliable voting blocks "import" is quite accurate.

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Post by BuckRogers »

compostor42 wrote: post #57
BuckRogers wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Purposeful demographic replacement of white people to achieve political ends. Lovely. Why is being white so important? What's the difference? If the difference is no NRA, sounds like a decent trade to me.

>Why is being white so important? What's the difference? Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition?

>Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition?

What? You're insinuating we're going through a White Holocaust and I'm apologizing for it. You gotta be out of your mind. "Ethnic cleansing"??? Take a breath and realize you're comparing concentration camps to people migrating for a job. What a sick way to trivialize one of the worst crimes of the 20th century.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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compostor42 wrote: post #57
BuckRogers wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Purposeful demographic replacement of white people to achieve political ends. Lovely. Why is being white so important? What's the difference? If the difference is no NRA, sounds like a decent trade to me.

>Why is being white so important? What's the difference? Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition?

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Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by mason240 »

BuckRogers wrote: post #59
mason240 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. It's enforcing current immigration policies. Moving towards an open borders would be changing restrictions on immigration.

That's not true. The border has always been open for people to pass freely for centuries. Restricting border crossings would be a change in immigration policy. I don't think it's necessary.

And then we decided that having government, taxes, social programs, ect were necessary. You are free to feel otherwise, but the issue of society vs anarchy has been firmly resolved.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by joosters »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #29
xtian wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it might not be yours; neither of those statements are true. Investigate how much the U.S. government spends on farming subsidies per year and then consider the fact that nutritious food which isn't loaded with pesticides, hormones, radiation, etc is currently considered a luxury good.

Crop insurance is one of the greatest advances in human history. I'm not even being sarcastic. It turns out subsistence farming and dying of starvation was pretty shitty.

Are you sure? A survey in 1977 showed that just 6% of farmers bought or sold crop futures (i.e. insuring a price for their goods). And apparently 3 in 4 of these farmers were buying futures (i.e. speculating on crop prices) rather than selling them.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by compostor42 »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #45
compostor42 wrote: post #36

Automation like this is why I call BS on the "we need more immigrants to keep the economy going!" folks. We will be struggling to keep our existing population employed. The last thing we want to do is import even more low-skilled labor who will soon be made redundant. Increasing automation means a declining population is a godsend rather than a problem. Policy makers must be aware of this. I suspect the call for incr…

I think those numbers don't add up. Decreasing population does nothing for the per capita need for working-class people. Unless you think laborers are dying off at a greater rate than the rest of us.

I don't understand, can you explain?

Increased automation definitely decreases the per capita need for working-class people.

We would probably have a lot more automation already (especially in low-end agriculture/service-industry) if not for a seemingly inexhaustible supply of cheap labor from south of the border.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by compostor42 »

scrollaway wrote: post #43
compostor42 wrote: post #36

Automation like this is why I call BS on the "we need more immigrants to keep the economy going!" folks. We will be struggling to keep our existing population employed. The last thing we want to do is import even more low-skilled labor who will soon be made redundant. Increasing automation means a declining population is a godsend rather than a problem. Policy makers must be aware of this. I suspect the call for incr…

> Automation like this is why I call BS on the "we need more immigrants to keep the economy going!" folks. This is a bit of a shortcut (and most don't realize it) to "more people doesn't necessarily mean less jobs to go around, as available work is not a finite product because of the amount of artificial demand an increased population can create". We don't need more human drones; when properly funneled, increased imm…

> We don't need more human drones; when properly funneled, increased immigration can mean a better economy.

Agreed. Importing millions of unskilled laborers is insane as automation picks up. Those jobs will be made redundant in short order. (They probably already would have been, but a massive pool of cheap labor meant little incentive for automation. Similar to the first steam-engines being unused by the ancient Greek ruling class http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/HeroAndLoon.htm)

Bringing in the select best and brightest from other countries is certainly wise though.

Re: Fruit-sorting robot ‘will disrupt the industry’

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Post by sheepmullet »

compostor42 wrote: post #57
BuckRogers wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Purposeful demographic replacement of white people to achieve political ends. Lovely. Why is being white so important? What's the difference? If the difference is no NRA, sounds like a decent trade to me.

>Why is being white so important? What's the difference? Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist. So just to be clear, you have no problem with ethnically cleansing a nation to change its political disposition?

> Replace "white" with "jewish" and you'd fit right in with holocaust deniers/apologist.

Exactly, or "white" with "American Indian" or "aboriginal" and you can see exactly how people in the past supported such atrocious policies.

It's scary how far some people will go to achieve political goals.

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