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The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by hgdkshfskjhf »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #23
wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You probably saw the compelling story on CNN that a nutrition professor ate only Twinkies for 10 weeks and lost 27 pounds! Except they didn’t disclose one important fact — he got paid by Coca-Cola. Perhaps “Coke-Funded Nutrition Professor Tries to Prove Junk Food Healthy” is now a more appropriate title. And his surprising finding that junk food can be eaten without consequence: perfectly on message for Coca-Cola.…

A lot of the issues with unhealthy food are mitigated by a caloric deficit. Additionally, almost regardless of diet if you lose a significant amount of fat your markers are going to improve. Better demonstrations would be: * Compare people eating the same number of calories below requirements, but one on the twinkie diet and one on a healthy diet to see comparative changes in markers * Perform the same experiment as…

I also see a lot of people insane amount of salad or organic whatever because they think it will help them lose weight. God forbid if you eat junk food in front of them. You will hear everything wrong about processed junk food.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by wdewind »

bad_user wrote: post #26

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

> Low-fat milk for example is still on sale with health claims, even though it's a well known fact that it's much more unhealthy than normal milk.

I take issue with this claim. Neither is more healthy than the other. Whole milk has a lower glycemic index, and a higher ratio of fat to carbs/protein. But that's not always desirable. For instance, a higher glycemic index is more effective for building muscle (but also fat). So it's really a situation of matching behavior to goals.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by comrh »

joekim29 wrote: post #22
smtddr wrote: post #6

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>>"eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted?" Define "reasonably" and "restricted". Otherwise, you might as well say "If everyone just did the right thing, everything would be as it should!" which has no actionable component. >>"people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?" ....but suffered dozens of other health problems that'll lead to an early grave. "Super…

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/man-loses-37-pounds-by-eating-excl...

This is basically the same thing as the Subway guy. He restricted his calories, fulfilled his nutrient goals and, most importantly, started walking a lot more.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by visakanv »

astine wrote: post #38
CuriouslyC wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the issues with unhealthy food are mitigated by a caloric deficit. Additionally, almost regardless of diet if you lose a significant amount of fat your markers are going to improve. Better demonstrations would be: * Compare people eating the same number of calories below requirements, but one on the twinkie diet and one on a healthy diet to see comparative changes in markers * Perform the same experiment as…

"A lot of the issues with unhealthy food are mitigated by a caloric deficit." Which, if I understand correctly, is the whole point of the demonstration. You'll lose weight on a calorie restricted diet almost no matter what you eat. So long as people understand that weight loss should not be the sole measure of health, I don't see what the problem is.

> You'll lose weight on a calorie restricted diet almost no matter what you eat.

The problem is, a calorie restricted diet alone isn't always sustainable. Eg if you're eating crap, but so little that you don't gain weight, it's still going to mess you up (lethargy, irritability, lack of focus).

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by visakanv »

mannimow wrote: post #59

Every article on fats vs. carbs dilemma stresses out weight management issue, none of them mention any other effects, but weight. As a skinny guy, what are the dangers of say french fries, honey, and fast food? What about when coupled with active life style and moderate exercise?

Fellow skinny guy here who's working my way out of it. I don't know if you relate to this, but when I used to eat french fries and fast food, I would have bouts of lethargy and mental dullness. I just sort of thought that's how life is. When I started eating healthier, I enjoy much better mental clarity. It's a world of difference, and it gives me 2-5x more quality time to do my best work.

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Post by TurboHaskal »

zappo2938 wrote: post #12

The role of liver function and glycogen should be included in this conversation.[1] There might be a lot more at work than just elevated blood sugar levels. In most normal people, meaning without diabetes and other metabolism problems, the liver doesn't immediately convert sugar to fat. Rather extra sugar is converted to glycogen which can be easily accessed for energy. What happens when a runner carbo loads the nigh…

Quality sleep is a good enough reason for me to have available sugars while sleeping.

I rest my best after a nice dinner, whereas skipping it means that I'll take longer to fall sleep and more often than not end up waking up way earlier than I should.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by pandaman »

zappo2938 wrote: post #12

The role of liver function and glycogen should be included in this conversation.[1] There might be a lot more at work than just elevated blood sugar levels. In most normal people, meaning without diabetes and other metabolism problems, the liver doesn't immediately convert sugar to fat. Rather extra sugar is converted to glycogen which can be easily accessed for energy. What happens when a runner carbo loads the nigh…

Speaking about drinks (not just sugary) with the food - I was taught as a child not to do that and chew my food instead of washing it down with a drink. I imagine you can eat much more this way but, otherwise, this seems to be a harmful habit to me.

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Post by vidarh »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #27
nkuttler wrote: post #5

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How about eating a diet where you don't have to count calories to get to or maintain a healthy weight? Fat is very satiating.

Maybe for you. I could easily put down 6000 calories worth of peanut butter in one shot, but if I tried that with pasta I probably wouldn't break 4000, and with veggies I probably wouldn't break 1500.

6000 kcal of peanut butter is about 1kg. I'd be tempted to pay to see you do that.

But how much you are able to stuff yourself with isn't the full story without knowing how long it takes you to get hungry again.

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Post by a8da6b0c91d »

visakanv wrote: post #50
bad_user wrote: post #26

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

> Humans have been eating fats and carbohydrates ever since the dawn of men. It's part of our identity as omnivores. I'm curious to hear a list of carbohydrates that humans have been eating since the dawn of men. Surely not glazed donuts. Did cavemen make bread?

> Did cavemen make bread?

Yes.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/humans-feas...

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Post by cubancigar11 »

mdpopescu wrote: post #4
mirsadm wrote: post #3

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That is poor advice and doesn't work for most people.

Yes. My issue is not losing weight - that's easy, I'll just not eat anything for a week. (I've lost weight before, usually when being violently sick.) My issue is keeping the weight down. I've been in Dublin for three months and lost about 10 kgs (nasty commute, stressful job and so on). I've been back for two weeks and gained back two kgs. Wife's a great cook :)

I am in no way related to this but have you tried https://www.noom.com/ ?

It not only helps in counting calories it also gives daily articles and a set of TO-DOs. I was 275 lbs around 2.5 months ago but since then have lost 22 lbs.

Regarding 'keeping the weight down', I learned from this app itself why it is difficult:

1. Not eating anything for a week is not only a bad strategy to lose weight it is actually a good strategy to gain weight afterwards. In my own experience whenever I tried to lose weight by eating less I lost a lot of weight but gained more than what I lost afterwards. You cannot stay hungry forever and if you lose more than 2 lbs per week your body goes into starvation mode, burning any stored energy rapidly, and rapidly storing anything you eat afterwards as fat just in case you don't get food again. Body is more intelligent than we think. 2. Once a fat cell is born it craves fat and that makes you hungry. Rapidly losing weight by staying hungry will only remove fat from fat cells but won't kill them. Weight loss must be sustained for longer time to have any permanent effect. 3. I have replaced white rice with brown rice, white bread with whole grain wheat bread and started eating sprouts and corn, oranges, guava etc. other fruits. Sprouts are killer deal man - you eat 200g of it you will hardly feel hungry for hours. 4. You need to do some physical exercise everyday - not intense, just walking is okay. But you have to be consistent so your body learns how much energy you are going to lose anyway and doesn't store much fat.

I have yet to start heavy exercises but I like the effect on my body :)

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