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The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by wlesieutre »

code_sterling wrote: post #20
wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You probably saw the compelling story on CNN that a nutrition professor ate only Twinkies for 10 weeks and lost 27 pounds! Except they didn’t disclose one important fact — he got paid by Coca-Cola. Perhaps “Coke-Funded Nutrition Professor Tries to Prove Junk Food Healthy” is now a more appropriate title. And his surprising finding that junk food can be eaten without consequence: perfectly on message for Coca-Cola.…

I'd suggest a conflict of interest makes his results suspect.

I'd be more inclined to agree if it were a complicated subject with a lot of data to be cherry-picked and "interpreted." In this case, "lost 27 pounds" and "only ate twinkies" would be pretty hard to play games with.

But hey, maybe 20 different scientists ran the same experiment and only the one time when it was successful got published. No way to know for sure.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by joekim29 »

smtddr wrote: post #6
joekim29 wrote: post #2

How about we stop "fearing" certain foods and just eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted? Or if you want to simply lose weight, just calorie restricted. Or do I have to bring up the people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?

>>"eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted?" Define "reasonably" and "restricted". Otherwise, you might as well say "If everyone just did the right thing, everything would be as it should!" which has no actionable component. >>"people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?" ....but suffered dozens of other health problems that'll lead to an early grave. "Super…

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/man-loses-37-pounds-by-eating-excl...

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by CuriouslyC »

wlesieutre wrote: post #16
lsniddy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The twinkie diet guy was funded by coca cola http://observer.com/2015/10/here-are-the-people-coca-cola-ha...

> You probably saw the compelling story on CNN that a nutrition professor ate only Twinkies for 10 weeks and lost 27 pounds! Except they didn’t disclose one important fact — he got paid by Coca-Cola. Perhaps “Coke-Funded Nutrition Professor Tries to Prove Junk Food Healthy” is now a more appropriate title. And his surprising finding that junk food can be eaten without consequence: perfectly on message for Coca-Cola.…

A lot of the issues with unhealthy food are mitigated by a caloric deficit. Additionally, almost regardless of diet if you lose a significant amount of fat your markers are going to improve.

Better demonstrations would be: * Compare people eating the same number of calories below requirements, but one on the twinkie diet and one on a healthy diet to see comparative changes in markers * Perform the same experiment as before, but this time with both groups eating the same number of calories above maintenance.

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Post by zappo2938 »

bad_user wrote: post #15
zappo2938 wrote: post #12

The role of liver function and glycogen should be included in this conversation.[1] There might be a lot more at work than just elevated blood sugar levels. In most normal people, meaning without diabetes and other metabolism problems, the liver doesn't immediately convert sugar to fat. Rather extra sugar is converted to glycogen which can be easily accessed for energy. What happens when a runner carbo loads the nigh…

> ... the fast should begin around 5pm ... there is no reason to have big dinners which are ridiculous Actually there is a very big reason for why your advice is harmful, for me at least, but I suspect that for others as well. At 5pm I'm still at work, which means that whatever meal I'll have will be fast food and not a home cooked meal. But even more problematic is that dinner is also the perfect opportunity to sit…

The American overweight problem is cultural and not an issue with eating high or low glycemic foods like the article states. If losing weight is an issue for someone. They are better off having a larger second meal and a smaller third meal even if that third meal is at 9 or 10pm so they can enjoy it with family or after work. The idea is not to have more blood sugar than then the liver can store as glycogen at bed time.

Everyone is different. If someone is really thin they probably should eat a massive third meal because the body does need stored body fat too.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by bad_user »

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs

What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're practicing is nothing more than a cult.

> He explained that saturated fat, found in fatty animal foods like meats and dairy products, raises blood levels of cholesterol and is not healthy

There is zero evidence that saturated fats are unhealthy. Fats don't make you sick. Neither do carbohydrates. Humans have been eating fats and carbohydrates ever since the dawn of men. It's part of our identity as omnivores.

What actually changed is making food an industrial process whose output is processed/synthetic food, which is much more profitable, while riding the waves of crap coming from nutritionists, coinciding perfectly with the obesity and diabetes epidemic. Low-fat milk for example is still on sale with health claims, even though it's a well known fact that it's much more unhealthy than normal milk.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by CuriouslyC »

nkuttler wrote: post #5
joekim29 wrote: post #2

How about we stop "fearing" certain foods and just eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted? Or if you want to simply lose weight, just calorie restricted. Or do I have to bring up the people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?

How about eating a diet where you don't have to count calories to get to or maintain a healthy weight? Fat is very satiating.

Maybe for you. I could easily put down 6000 calories worth of peanut butter in one shot, but if I tried that with pasta I probably wouldn't break 4000, and with veggies I probably wouldn't break 1500.

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Post by mathgeek »

sageabilly wrote: post #13

I am particularly excited for the rise of easier genome sequencing and the role that will play in nutritional advice for individuals. The more we learn about genes and how people react differently to different foods the more intrigued I am by the idea of an "optimal" diet only being achieved on a person-by-person level.

"The more we learn about genes and how people react differently to different foods the more intrigued I am by the idea of an "optimal" diet only being achieved on a person-by-person level."

For me, it's implicit that optimizing diet can only be done on an individual basis. It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that taking maternal twins and having one be active while the other remains inactive for most of their lives leads to the need for different diets between the two.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by mathgeek »

bad_user wrote: post #26

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

Can you link the sources for your claims? I'm asking sincerely, as I'm sure people interested in the topic will want to see the research.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by mvanvoorden »

nkuttler wrote: post #5
joekim29 wrote: post #2

How about we stop "fearing" certain foods and just eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted? Or if you want to simply lose weight, just calorie restricted. Or do I have to bring up the people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?

How about eating a diet where you don't have to count calories to get to or maintain a healthy weight? Fat is very satiating.

This. I (loosely) follow bulletproof/keto diet and never have to watch how much I eat, without gaining weight. I just eat until I'm full, and if I have some munchies later in the evening, as long as I don't snack anything rich in carbs, I have no problem in keeping a stable weight.

I used to weigh about 100 kilo's, until I changed my diet to LCHF, now I'm about 70. A few months ago, as a test, I switched to Soylent for 2 months, and gained almost 10 kilo's.

I just think a high carb diet is not something that is compatible with an office job.

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