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Tesla shares dive after Consumer Reports yanks recommendation for Model S

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Re: Tesla shares dive after Consumer Reports yanks recommendation for Model S

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Everything breaks on other cars, too. I am not really sure what you're getting at with this comment. A mechanic sees nothing but broken cars.

mechanics generally do not see the all the cars in a given local area time and time again except for regular servicing.

There aren't many Teslas in any area.

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I hear you, but it's important to note that it appears that Mercedes (a storied German luxury car with proven technology) currently has an even a lower reliability rating. That makes me think it's likely more than just company age and experience, I think there is something about a company's risk tolerance and how it relates to their eagerness to implement new tech. As the article states, the blander "appliance-like"…

Tesla has a small rabid fan base (here and on Reddit) that are willing to overlook its shortcomings. If Tesla actually delivers on its Model 3 any time soon and manages to penetrate the mainstream at all, you can be sure those customers won't be giving Tesla a pass. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/3mtoxa/im_not_... Take a look at that thread in /r/teslamotors (which is full of Tesla fanboys). Tesla's pr…

If 97% of current Tesla owners would buy Tesla again, then perhaps the fanbase here and on Reddit is typical of all Tesla owners?

  Still, despite the problems and complaints, Tesla owners
  remain happy about their cars. According to its survey,
  Consumer Reports said that 97 percent of owners would buy
  their car again.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/business/consumer-reports-...

Re: Tesla shares dive after Consumer Reports yanks recommendation for Model S

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I hear you, but it's important to note that it appears that Mercedes (a storied German luxury car with proven technology) currently has an even a lower reliability rating. That makes me think it's likely more than just company age and experience, I think there is something about a company's risk tolerance and how it relates to their eagerness to implement new tech. As the article states, the blander "appliance-like"…

Shocking as it is (since I write software for a living) I buy only used cars with as few options as possible. All manual transmission, locks, windows and doors. I don't even have A/C in one of my two cars. Owning a car in America is like a tax: you need a car to have a meaningful participation in the economy. So while I admire Tesla's technology, through this lens I can't imagine buying one in this lifetime.

I'm generally the same way. Also generally expensive cars -> expensive repairs. However Nissan Leaf's are selling for $10k on the used market. And Tesla is planning on a sub $40k model in 18 months. So stands to reason inexpensive used ones will appear on market in a few years.

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I got my P85 in July 2013 and I can absolutely confirm what Consumer Reports is saying. My car has (and continues) to have all sorts of small fit-and-finish issues. While I've never had a drivetrain issue or any major problem, I have had some wireless and door handle issues that required as new Master Control Unit. Sadly, the work replacing the MCU introduced even more squeaks in the dashboard area :( That all said:…

I suspect other high end brands don't have fit-and-finish issues, but is it true or just brand distortion field ? any actual bmw / mercedes owner ?

My 2012 M3 needed an entire new engine at 16k miles. Unfortunately, unlike a Tesla, replacing my motor can't be done in a couple hours (or for a couple grand).

But the fit and finish is fantastic!

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Tesla is showing what a car can be - Excellent UX, a nontraditional but really nice drivetrain, a good UI for the secondary systems with frequent software upgrades, etc. It's not hard to see the trend - it's been coming for the last 15 years at least. All drivetrains will be electric, and connected to a battery and optionally a range extender of some sort. The control panel will be all big screens and apps. Meanwhile…

It reminds me of the transition from analog recording to digital recording. The finest analog recording technologies were developed just before the switch.

That's probably mostly because we stopped trying to invent finer analog technologies once we got digital.

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The Model S powertrain warranty is 8 years/infinite miles.

My current car is 14 years old. My previous two reached 16 and 17 years. I try to run then as long as possible because cars are money sinks.

The Tesla motors will get much more reliable with time. Nobody has mass-produced such a high torque motor before, it will take time to get the manufacturing ironed out. They will certainly get them to last much longer, but even if they don't the motor unit is only a couple thousand dollars and only takes a couple hours to swap. A Electric powertrain is significantly simpler than a combustion vehicle.

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The future won't be like the past. I don't expect to own a car 8 years from now in any scenario (electric self driving cars on demand). Owning a vehicle just seems like such a waste, so much capital tied up in something that sits around all day. Could you imagine airlines that let aircraft sit idle 95% of the time?

There won't be any self-driving on-demand cars in 8 years. Maybe 28.

8 seems like an extremely reasonable guess.

Re: Tesla shares dive after Consumer Reports yanks recommendation for Model S

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The Model S powertrain warranty is 8 years/infinite miles.

My current car is 14 years old. My previous two reached 16 and 17 years. I try to run then as long as possible because cars are money sinks.

Well then this is obviously not an issue for you. You don't sound like the type to be an "early adopter" for cars, so I think it would be out of character for a consumer like yourself to buy a Tesla is the first place.

I don't think they're alienating a significant portion of their demographic by not catering to people who only buy a car every one or two decades, especially considering they're selling a luxury sedan and they're the only successful American automotive company for at least a few decades.

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Painless if there's a service center nearby. This is all making me seriously reconsider buying one when I'd have to travel to get it serviced...

I do live very close to a service center and that certainly is a factor in my ownership. If I didn't live near an SC, I would opt for Ranger service.

Unfortunately it looks like that's no longer an option: http://my.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/ranger-service-plan-n...

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Shocking as it is (since I write software for a living) I buy only used cars with as few options as possible. All manual transmission, locks, windows and doors. I don't even have A/C in one of my two cars. Owning a car in America is like a tax: you need a car to have a meaningful participation in the economy. So while I admire Tesla's technology, through this lens I can't imagine buying one in this lifetime.

I haven't owned a car since the 90s and I participate in the economy just fine. It's certainly more convenient to own a car, but you way overstated that

Depends entirely on your location. Major US cities usually have at least functional public transit, but there are smaller towns that don't even have sidewalks. As far as they're concerned, you either drive or you don't leave your property.
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