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The Hostile Email Landscape

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Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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This largely true and hugely disappointing. Our startup ( https://portal.cloud ) is making it possible for non-hackers to self-host their own email servers. It works very well for the most part, but we have had to explain to a number of them why their email sometimes gets bounced by the big proprietary cloud services. All of our users have their own domain names, IP addresses, SPF records, and correctly configured (a…

There is no obligation to accept email, from anybody.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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Create an email network where is would cost a penny to send email. It would be payed into bitcoin wallet of folks maintaining infrastructure. Every email would be digitally signed and encrypted. Certificate with keys would connected to email address (and bitcoin wallet). Spam would die. Go build it please.

The minute you say bitcoin is the moment you cut out 99% of the population; unless it is in the background and one does not have to interact with it directly. Other than that, I agree paying to send will reduce spam. But also look at your postal mail box. There is arguably more spam there than in your digital inbox, and that one costs (stamps).

Yes, but if the email is digitally signed I can be certain who sent it (at least the address) and, unlike postal mail, I can electronically sort it. Email from folks I know would receive the highest priority.

Are folks afraid of bitcoin? What can be worse than just having a 16 digit number printed on a card -- that is a 1000x more vulnerable.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

#83

Create an email network where is would cost a penny to send email. It would be payed into bitcoin wallet of folks maintaining infrastructure. Every email would be digitally signed and encrypted. Certificate with keys would connected to email address (and bitcoin wallet). Spam would die. Go build it please.

The minute you say bitcoin is the moment you cut out 99% of the population; unless it is in the background and one does not have to interact with it directly. Other than that, I agree paying to send will reduce spam. But also look at your postal mail box. There is arguably more spam there than in your digital inbox, and that one costs (stamps).

I get far more spam than legitimate mail in the US Postal mail.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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I sometimes see similar tales of woe, and I can only say that this does not match my experience. I’ve done this many times, you set up the mail server, configure DNS correctly (including reverse lookup), and that’s it. Never had problems being blacklisted or mail getting classified as spam.

I suspect that people having trouble are sending a lot of mail, like “newletters”, etc. But I can’t prove this hypothesis.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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post #59
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I've run into similar issues with a similar setup. It's frustrating. You can convince gmail user A to whitelist your messages, and so they'll get through to user A, but gmail user B probably still won't see messages from you unless you tell him to dig them out of the spam trap. And your messages to A might still be classified as spam if they have attachments or hyperlinks in them. (Even if you've been corresponding w…

http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html Internet Mail 2000 IM2000 is a project to design a new Internet mail infrastructure around the following concept: Mail storage is the sender's responsibility.

Bernstein is an incredibly smart guy. But he's also an example of how the social stuff matters. His software would run the internet if he put a little more effort into the social/political side of things.

The big problem with IM2000 is that it doesn't solve the real problems. It's focused on the economics of storage of mail, which, yeah, are a thing for a few mail administrators, but generally is considered less important than the spam-filtering problem in general.

I mean, I'm not willing to pay for infinite storage, but I certainly would be willing to pay the cost of receiving 100x my current monthly spam load if I didn't have to read any of it. Maybe even 1000x.

The major benefit of the IM2000 standard is that if you can squash the spammer's mail servers, you squash the mail in question, which actually could change things, because it would mean that spammers would need to control the servers they use to send for longer than they do now.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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The problem goes both ways.

Spam needs to stop and so too does the convergence of Internet services in general (not just email).

Frankly, the solution already exists, and just like how billion-dollar companies start with the tech community, techies need to embrace the idea of decentralization by adopting some trust-based model.

Frankly, I do not see why encrypted emails cannot be accepted by users through some peer-sharing agreement where the public-key is online.

There's tons of solutions that are easy for tech people and if this community embraces it, it trickles down, like how a lot of other things do in tech.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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post #76

Create an email network where is would cost a penny to send email. It would be payed into bitcoin wallet of folks maintaining infrastructure. Every email would be digitally signed and encrypted. Certificate with keys would connected to email address (and bitcoin wallet). Spam would die. Go build it please.

Ask Bill Gates : http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/bill-gates-proposes-c...

Is the c|net link broken? I remember Bill Gates bringing this up -- I would to like read what the issues would be with technology today.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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post #81
post #56

This largely true and hugely disappointing. Our startup ( https://portal.cloud ) is making it possible for non-hackers to self-host their own email servers. It works very well for the most part, but we have had to explain to a number of them why their email sometimes gets bounced by the big proprietary cloud services. All of our users have their own domain names, IP addresses, SPF records, and correctly configured (a…

There is no obligation to accept email, from anybody.

There's no good reason a company should prevent their users from receiving email from their self-hosted friends.

Re: The Hostile Email Landscape

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Howso? The X protocols have typically struck me as grossly overdesigned and complicated.

More overcomplicated than the complex system of headers and whitelists trying to bolt some basic security and authenticity features onto SMTP? The latter didn't win because it was "better" just because it was easier to implement. Like a car with no brakes or seatbelts.

Why the X protocols didn’t win is up for debate, but a good reason why they shouldn’t win, ever, is that, aside from being complicated and over-engineered, they are incredibly centralized in their design.
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