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Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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Dean complains about helicopter parents at Stanford and yet admissions essentially requires incoming students have helicopter parents. To get into a school like this you need to be exclusively focused on exactly the arbitrary criteria that will get you accepted into a school like this -- grades in the "right" classes, enough sports to talk about it in an essay but not too much, extracurricular and volunteer work at t…

This. It is like that old adage, "Behind every great man, there is a great woman." For the modern era, it should perhaps now be, "behind every top-tier university student, there is a helicopter parent".

It takes so much to get into one of these schools now that it seems impossible for any child without extensive support.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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You know what. Those parents got those kids into Stanford. Obviously helicopter parenting is working for them. 90% of the decisions people make are based on the environments they are in. Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista... Get them into Stanford, then they have the rest of their life to "fail"

As a parent, I would a thousand times rather my child be a mentally stable barista than a questionably stable Stanford student. In fact, having recently interacted with the Standard undergraduate body, I feel quite sorry for most of them because it's such a terrible pressure cooker stress environment. My primary goal for my child is for her to be a whole person. If she can do that at Stanford, fine. If she can do tha…

> ivy league tier educations are normal--and so is depression

Similar background and I have always suspected they are correlated.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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I don't know if this is more about helicopter parenting, as some of the comments might suggest, but coddling kids, and keeping them away from anything which might make them feel bad, uncomfortable, etc. I feel like universities are removing discourse and uncomfortable topics to the detriment of students. College should not be daycare, where everything is padded, safe, and you're protected from anything which might make you uncomfortable. It should be the place where you face those uncomfortable topics, ideas, and people, so you can learn to deal with it in the real world...

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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post #90

Dean complains about helicopter parents at Stanford and yet admissions essentially requires incoming students have helicopter parents. To get into a school like this you need to be exclusively focused on exactly the arbitrary criteria that will get you accepted into a school like this -- grades in the "right" classes, enough sports to talk about it in an essay but not too much, extracurricular and volunteer work at t…

Unfortunately, his position as a Dean prevents him from getting "too real" in this article, because what he should be telling these over-stressed and over-worked parents (and kids) is that you don't need to go to Harvard, or Stanford, or any Ivy League school really, to get a good education.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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You know what. Those parents got those kids into Stanford. Obviously helicopter parenting is working for them. 90% of the decisions people make are based on the environments they are in. Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista... Get them into Stanford, then they have the rest of their life to "fail"

"Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista." - I believe you speak correctly for much of the population. But not for me. I would much rather have my three children work at Starbucks (or in construction, or as plumbers, or whatever) and be good human beings - full of love, justice and mercy, faithful to their families and loyal to their friends - than get into any Ivy League and fail in any of those much more important areas. It's not even close.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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post #90

Dean complains about helicopter parents at Stanford and yet admissions essentially requires incoming students have helicopter parents. To get into a school like this you need to be exclusively focused on exactly the arbitrary criteria that will get you accepted into a school like this -- grades in the "right" classes, enough sports to talk about it in an essay but not too much, extracurricular and volunteer work at t…

Unfortunately, his position as a Dean prevents him from getting "too real" in this article, because what he should be telling these over-stressed and over-worked parents (and kids) is that you don't need to go to Harvard, or Stanford, or any Ivy League school really, to get a good education.

Her. It's literally the first line of the article. And also she's the former dean.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. The margin for error is enormous, compared to previous generations. The probability that a mistake in life will lead you to die of starvation or cold is smaller than ever. What I think is happening is that global communication is leading to increased status neurosis. Before, you could compare your kids to the neighbors'. Now you can com…

Margin of error: go to Stanford, make the right connections, become a billionaire in 8 years versus go to a state school and work for the billionaires while making 1/5000th to 1/150000th as much as they do, yet you're doing all the work that makes them richer.

> go to Stanford, make the right connections, become a billionaire in 8 years

In my scenario I was implicitly alluding to the real planet Earth.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Margin of error: go to Stanford, make the right connections, become a billionaire in 8 years versus go to a state school and work for the billionaires while making 1/5000th to 1/150000th as much as they do, yet you're doing all the work that makes them richer.

> go to Stanford, make the right connections, become a billionaire in 8 years In my scenario I was implicitly alluding to the real planet Earth.

We're talking hopes and dreams and aspirations and delusions here.

How many billionaires has Stanford generated versus the entire state of Ohio in the past 20 years?

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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You know what. Those parents got those kids into Stanford. Obviously helicopter parenting is working for them. 90% of the decisions people make are based on the environments they are in. Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista... Get them into Stanford, then they have the rest of their life to "fail"

"Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista." - I believe you speak correctly for much of the population. But not for me. I would much rather have my three children work at Starbucks (or in construction, or as plumbers, or whatever) and be good human beings - full of love, justice and mercy, faithful to their families and loyal to their friends - than get into any Ivy League and fail…

It's much easier to be full of love, justice and mercy when people don't have to worry about money. Studies show a low threshold for that dollar amount but that number is multiple times higher for US major cities.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. The margin for error is enormous, compared to previous generations. The probability that a mistake in life will lead you to die of starvation or cold is smaller than ever. What I think is happening is that global communication is leading to increased status neurosis. Before, you could compare your kids to the neighbors'. Now you can com…

> What I think is happening is that global communication is leading to increased status neurosis. A thousand times this. There is also a growing body of research[0] that shows that social media make you feel worse cause you are exposed to a selection of what's good in other people's life. I suspect the same often applies to TV. [0] which I have not read further than the news reports, so might be total bullshit, cavea…

And the information era triggers an addiction to know more all the time which is knowing nothing. Schooling, parenting ... sometimes I even wonder how could my parent let me play outside without a cellphone, when in fact, all previous generations did fine.
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